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How are automated cars and parking outside the city related? You can park your car outside the city, and use public transport, no self driving technology is re

by mola 5y ago

How are automated cars and parking outside the city related? You can park your car outside the city, and use public transport, no self driving technology is required. It's not that that they are against progress, they are against shiny new things that don't make sense. Our need is less cars on the road. Not automated cars available per person in anytime of day. at most this will solve parking, but not congestion.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago
An autonomous car can drop you off at the train stop and then go to the parking lot. That's the same mileage as driving to the parking lot and then walking to the train stop but makes the commute far less soul crushing so more people can/will choose it.
- notahacker 5y ago
  I don't think most people's resistance to using public transport is a two minute walk between the parking lot and the station entrance.
whoknowswhat11 5y ago
This is where green folks aren't paying attention to what folks want. Go ahead and ban straws (put in the trash in the restaurant) while letting tons of plastic blow into the ocean from street litter. Some folks don't want to be on public transit, including liberals and definitely liberal elites (ie, COVID / crime / dirt / safety / whatever). There is no middle ground on the green / left. We all have to cram into public transit (I took it for a while, the bus would skip my stop if full, NO ONE took action on the clearly crazy idiots disrupting the ride forcing the bus to stop etc). Ideas like robotaxies are fought. Why? I don't get it. I'm also convinced many liberals / green folks are either very wealthy or don't live in tougher areas. It seems to be -> you take the bus, while I fly my private jet to talk about climate somewhere. Weirdly, it's going to be the ruthless capitlists, google, uber (ugh!), tesla (run by a bit of maniac) who are moving us forward. Little support locally. Ie, do a lane on highway dedicated for auto-drive truck trains and cars etc.
- jefftk 5y ago
  "the bus would skip my stop if full" Minor, but the problem here is that the bus is full, not that it skips your stop. If there's no room on the bus, there's nothing it can do, so it might as well move faster. We should not be allowing buses to reach capacity, but this calls for more investment in public transit, not less.
  - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
    The issue with public transit is that a) its often out of my control in terms of options to fix it b) some things (violence) seem to have become accepted. c) there are a ton of (very) entrenched special interests which make touching any element of this difficult. Options like auto-cars put control in users hands, who can self organize if they want to car share etc.
    - danhor 5y ago
      It's already possible to self organize car sharing, with a spiffy app, insurance rating systems and . But keeping the car in good shape and checking it, as well as the risk on non-availability (which might get better with a self-driving car, but no one wants to wait for the car to driver 30 minutes back) now make it an unattractive option compared to commercial car sharing. At least here in the Region of Stuttgart, Germany b) and c) mostly don't apply (and I'm pretty certain they don't in most other parts of europe) and most issues with public transit here (limited core capacity leading to overcrowding, higher prices) similarly apply to cars and automated cars (with congestion and usually higher cost of ownership than public transit time cards) and can't be solved there either by an individual. The unique issues not common to other modes of transport are bad service in some parts, depending on the route a long duration compared to car travel and an aging infrastructure leading to a few issues (but due to be replaced in the near future™). Most of those stem partially from chronic underinvestment with some rail connections closed in the 50s still not being reactivated. But unless a car isn't needed for the daily commute (due to public transit or more home office or active transportation) it's hard to imagine car sharing or self driving cars helping a lot.

by mola 5y ago

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

An autonomous car can drop you off at the train stop and then go to the parking lot. That's the same mileage as driving to the parking lot and then walking to the train stop but makes the commute far less soul crushing so more people can/will choose it.

notahacker 5y ago
I don't think most people's resistance to using public transport is a two minute walk between the parking lot and the station entrance.

whoknowswhat11 5y ago

This is where green folks aren't paying attention to what folks want. Go ahead and ban straws (put in the trash in the restaurant) while letting tons of plastic blow into the ocean from street litter. Some folks don't want to be on public transit, including liberals and definitely liberal elites (ie, COVID / crime / dirt / safety / whatever). There is no middle ground on the green / left. We all have to cram into public transit (I took it for a while, the bus would skip my stop if full, NO ONE took action on the clearly crazy idiots disrupting the ride forcing the bus to stop etc). Ideas like robotaxies are fought. Why? I don't get it. I'm also convinced many liberals / green folks are either very wealthy or don't live in tougher areas. It seems to be -> you take the bus, while I fly my private jet to talk about climate somewhere. Weirdly, it's going to be the ruthless capitlists, google, uber (ugh!), tesla (run by a bit of maniac) who are moving us forward. Little support locally. Ie, do a lane on highway dedicated for auto-drive truck trains and cars etc.

jefftk 5y ago
"the bus would skip my stop if full" Minor, but the problem here is that the bus is full, not that it skips your stop. If there's no room on the bus, there's nothing it can do, so it might as well move faster. We should not be allowing buses to reach capacity, but this calls for more investment in public transit, not less.
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  The issue with public transit is that a) its often out of my control in terms of options to fix it b) some things (violence) seem to have become accepted. c) there are a ton of (very) entrenched special interests which make touching any element of this difficult. Options like auto-cars put control in users hands, who can self organize if they want to car share etc.
  - danhor 5y ago
    It's already possible to self organize car sharing, with a spiffy app, insurance rating systems and . But keeping the car in good shape and checking it, as well as the risk on non-availability (which might get better with a self-driving car, but no one wants to wait for the car to driver 30 minutes back) now make it an unattractive option compared to commercial car sharing. At least here in the Region of Stuttgart, Germany b) and c) mostly don't apply (and I'm pretty certain they don't in most other parts of europe) and most issues with public transit here (limited core capacity leading to overcrowding, higher prices) similarly apply to cars and automated cars (with congestion and usually higher cost of ownership than public transit time cards) and can't be solved there either by an individual. The unique issues not common to other modes of transport are bad service in some parts, depending on the route a long duration compared to car travel and an aging infrastructure leading to a few issues (but due to be replaced in the near future™). Most of those stem partially from chronic underinvestment with some rail connections closed in the 50s still not being reactivated. But unless a car isn't needed for the daily commute (due to public transit or more home office or active transportation) it's hard to imagine car sharing or self driving cars helping a lot.