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what is the catch?

by tmaly 5y ago

what is the catch?

AzzieElbab 5y ago
I'd imagine you have to recompile every C/C++ library used by your python code
ksec 5y ago
My guess is that it is in a similar situation as Ruby on GraalVM, C-extensions.
BlackFingolfin 5y ago
It's made by Oracle
- __MatrixMan__ 5y ago
  so if you're successful with it, they'll eventually sue you.
- azth 5y ago
  Stop the FUD please.
  - invalidname 5y ago
    Why is it FUD? Oracle has a long history of suing customers etc. It's a pretty litigious company. It also tends to include nuanced details in their license agreements e.g. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/oracle-java-release-17-now-free-again-richard-spithoven/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/oracle-java-release-17-now-fr... I'm not anti-Oracle. I worked there (worked at Sun which was acquired), so I understand the mentality. I use GraalVM and it's pretty nice. But whenever I pick an Oracle product I always make sure I can dump it in a second if they decide they want to monetize me aggressively.
    - azth 5y ago
      OpenJDK is free.
wolf550e 5y ago
C extension compatibility?
- tyingq 5y ago
  Supposedly there, this isn't Jython. https://www.graalvm.org/python/quickstart/ https://www.graalvm.org/python/quickstart/ "the possibility to create native platform binaries using the Native Image, a managed execution mode to run, for example, NumPy extensions in a safe manner, and many more." Lots of couching language about "experimental" and "possibility" though. So it seems new.
- pchanda 5y ago
  I think there is sulong for that (https://github.com/oracle/graal/tree/master/sulong https://github.com/oracle/graal/tree/master/sulong)
genjipress 5y ago
"There are not enough standard libraries to run the standard package installers for many packages with GraalVM Python runtime yet."
pawelmurias 5y ago
They are running on the commercial version of GraalVM. There is a giant technological gap between Python and Truffle (the framework behind Python on GraalVM CPython is a primitive interpreter while the other is a generating a hybrid JIT interpreter for both Python and CPython C extensions using Futamura projections.
tyingq 5y ago
"after warmup" and "The Python runtime is yet experimental in GraalVM". https://www.graalvm.org/python/quickstart/ https://www.graalvm.org/python/quickstart/

what is the catch?

by tmaly 5y ago

what is the catch?

AzzieElbab 5y ago

I'd imagine you have to recompile every C/C++ library used by your python code

ksec 5y ago

My guess is that it is in a similar situation as Ruby on GraalVM, C-extensions.

BlackFingolfin 5y ago

It's made by Oracle

__MatrixMan__ 5y ago
so if you're successful with it, they'll eventually sue you.
azth 5y ago
Stop the FUD please.
- invalidname 5y ago
  Why is it FUD? Oracle has a long history of suing customers etc. It's a pretty litigious company. It also tends to include nuanced details in their license agreements e.g. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/oracle-java-release-17-now-free-again-richard-spithoven/ https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/oracle-java-release-17-now-fr... I'm not anti-Oracle. I worked there (worked at Sun which was acquired), so I understand the mentality. I use GraalVM and it's pretty nice. But whenever I pick an Oracle product I always make sure I can dump it in a second if they decide they want to monetize me aggressively.
  - azth 5y ago
    OpenJDK is free.

wolf550e 5y ago

C extension compatibility?

tyingq 5y ago
Supposedly there, this isn't Jython. https://www.graalvm.org/python/quickstart/ https://www.graalvm.org/python/quickstart/ "the possibility to create native platform binaries using the Native Image, a managed execution mode to run, for example, NumPy extensions in a safe manner, and many more." Lots of couching language about "experimental" and "possibility" though. So it seems new.
pchanda 5y ago
I think there is sulong for that (https://github.com/oracle/graal/tree/master/sulong https://github.com/oracle/graal/tree/master/sulong)

genjipress 5y ago

"There are not enough standard libraries to run the standard package installers for many packages with GraalVM Python runtime yet."

pawelmurias 5y ago

They are running on the commercial version of GraalVM. There is a giant technological gap between Python and Truffle (the framework behind Python on GraalVM CPython is a primitive interpreter while the other is a generating a hybrid JIT interpreter for both Python and CPython C extensions using Futamura projections.

tyingq 5y ago

"after warmup" and "The Python runtime is yet experimental in GraalVM". https://www.graalvm.org/python/quickstart/ https://www.graalvm.org/python/quickstart/