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Thing is, what you are doing is NOT a standup meeting. The reason it is called standup it was because the meeting was literally done standing, the idea was to

Thing is, what you are doing is NOT a standup meeting. The reason it is called standup it was because the meeting was literally done standing, the idea was to force people to talk as quickly as possible whatever needed urgently and make them leave because they are tired of standing in one place. What you are doing is some kind of daily meeting, but not a standup in any sense.

rhacker 5y ago
> in any sense I think he's meeting 99% of the idea behind a scrum standup, except for standing up. So for some reason the lack of physically standing up reverts the 99% to 0%?
NicoJuicy 5y ago
A standup meeting was also in 1 room and in person. More people work remote now, it's not 1995 anymore ( history of scrum). As most things, scrum evolved. It's a guide, not a strict protocol/law The idea is to have all the technical things in one time to eliminate interruptions later on, not to eliminate personal connections with the team. So what is a better time for the casual talk, since people don't have coffee breaks anymore? ( If everyone of the team is onboard fyi) I kinda miss in person with the entire team. I see some people seriously slacking and those are the ones not really involved with casual talk too ( coincidence? ). While many people are perfectly able to work remotely, it made the job of a eg. teamlead much harder to confront more difficult things. They can't notice the body signals anymore when a person's cam is just off ( and even then).
Closi 5y ago
Of course it's a standup, its a metaphor these days you don't have to literally stand (otherwise how would a remote standup work? Do you have to insist everyone gets out of their office chairs?). We used to have huddles at work, but it didn't mean that we were actually nestled closely together for warmth.
- speeder 5y ago
  You and the guy below missed my point grossly. What made the meeting not-standup is the fact the meeting is not short. The fact people take time to talk about their daily lives, and other random stuff, means it is not a standup meeting. I mentioned the original standup meeting was standing, because the point of it was force people to want to leave the meeting.
  - Closi 5y ago
    In that case you didn’t say what you think you said - I think if you read your original post you will probably see how it looks like you are insisting they are done standing. Paraphrasing, you said the reason it’s called a standup is because people are literally standing, to force people to talk quickly. Then you said because of this OPs meeting wasn’t a standup. But appreciate that isn’t what you intended.
KronisLV 5y ago
> it was because the meeting was literally done standing, the idea was to force people to talk as quickly as possible whatever needed urgently and make them leave because they are tired of standing in one place. This whole concept seems silly, to be honest. It seems like it's designed to pull out status updates from people who wouldn't otherwise participate and wouldn't ask for help on their own, but at a set schedule. If I'm blocked, then i might as well drop a message in the group channel or eventually tag specific people who i think could help me. Or some people just choose to PM me directly. The only worth that I'd get from a meeting with everyone together is actually talking about details that might be interesting: "Last week i ran into a race condition in the code, here's what it was, here's how i solved it and here's how to avoid them in the future," in lieu of discussions like that in the chat channel. As a developer, i don't care if person A is working on X, Y and Z or is blocked, if i cannot help when with any of those. If management needs status updates, we might as well automate them with "Standup & Prosper" (https://standup.teaminator.io/ https://standup.teaminator.io/) or a similar chat bot that gives you fields to fill out. Even freeform daily messages seem more reasonable than forcing everyone to do some silly ceremony. Now, here's my question to you: what am I missing?

rhacker 5y ago

> in any sense I think he's meeting 99% of the idea behind a scrum standup, except for standing up. So for some reason the lack of physically standing up reverts the 99% to 0%?

NicoJuicy 5y ago

A standup meeting was also in 1 room and in person. More people work remote now, it's not 1995 anymore ( history of scrum). As most things, scrum evolved. It's a guide, not a strict protocol/law The idea is to have all the technical things in one time to eliminate interruptions later on, not to eliminate personal connections with the team. So what is a better time for the casual talk, since people don't have coffee breaks anymore? ( If everyone of the team is onboard fyi) I kinda miss in person with the entire team. I see some people seriously slacking and those are the ones not really involved with casual talk too ( coincidence? ). While many people are perfectly able to work remotely, it made the job of a eg. teamlead much harder to confront more difficult things. They can't notice the body signals anymore when a person's cam is just off ( and even then).

Closi 5y ago

Of course it's a standup, its a metaphor these days you don't have to literally stand (otherwise how would a remote standup work? Do you have to insist everyone gets out of their office chairs?). We used to have huddles at work, but it didn't mean that we were actually nestled closely together for warmth.

speeder 5y ago
You and the guy below missed my point grossly. What made the meeting not-standup is the fact the meeting is not short. The fact people take time to talk about their daily lives, and other random stuff, means it is not a standup meeting. I mentioned the original standup meeting was standing, because the point of it was force people to want to leave the meeting.
- Closi 5y ago
  In that case you didn’t say what you think you said - I think if you read your original post you will probably see how it looks like you are insisting they are done standing. Paraphrasing, you said the reason it’s called a standup is because people are literally standing, to force people to talk quickly. Then you said because of this OPs meeting wasn’t a standup. But appreciate that isn’t what you intended.

KronisLV 5y ago

> it was because the meeting was literally done standing, the idea was to force people to talk as quickly as possible whatever needed urgently and make them leave because they are tired of standing in one place. This whole concept seems silly, to be honest. It seems like it's designed to pull out status updates from people who wouldn't otherwise participate and wouldn't ask for help on their own, but at a set schedule. If I'm blocked, then i might as well drop a message in the group channel or eventually tag specific people who i think could help me. Or some people just choose to PM me directly. The only worth that I'd get from a meeting with everyone together is actually talking about details that might be interesting: "Last week i ran into a race condition in the code, here's what it was, here's how i solved it and here's how to avoid them in the future," in lieu of discussions like that in the chat channel. As a developer, i don't care if person A is working on X, Y and Z or is blocked, if i cannot help when with any of those. If management needs status updates, we might as well automate them with "Standup & Prosper" (https://standup.teaminator.io/ https://standup.teaminator.io/) or a similar chat bot that gives you fields to fill out. Even freeform daily messages seem more reasonable than forcing everyone to do some silly ceremony. Now, here's my question to you: what am I missing?