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Does this kill NSO? It seems like they might be too big and interconnected to be able to reasonably survive this.

by FDSGSG 5y ago

bberenberg 5y ago
From the article: > NSO and a smaller Tel Aviv-based company, Candiru, were among four companies added by the US commerce department on Wednesday to its so-called entity list, which would restrict exports of US technology to the companies. From https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerce-adds-nso-group-and-other-foreign-companies-entity-list https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerc... > The Entity List is a tool utilized by BIS to restrict the export, reexport, and in-country transfer of items subject to the EAR to persons (individuals, organizations, companies) reasonably believed to be involved, have been involved, or pose a significant risk of being or becoming involved, in activities contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States. For the four entities added to the Entity List in this final rule, BIS imposes a license requirement that applies to all items subject to the EAR. In addition, no license exceptions are available for exports, reexports, or transfers (in-country) to the entities being added to the Entity List in this rule. BIS imposes a license review policy of a presumption of denial for these entities. General Entity List descriptions are available at https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/lists-of-parties-of-concern/entity-list https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/lists-of-p... It seems like it mostly restricts them from using US made tech and punishes US companies that supply them.
- ryanlol 5y ago
  > It seems like it mostly restricts them from using US made tech and punishes US companies that supply them. It’s also not super easy to find banks willing to work with companies publicly blacklisted by the US government.
- samat 5y ago
  I got down the rabbit hole (20 open tabs at 1AM local time, you know) and it seems most of the 'normal' software like Operating Systems & Devtools are classified as 'mass market' and are subject only to 'Anti-Terrorism enforcement', meaning you cannot sell them only to Iran and couple other countries. Meaning NSO Group could not buy tech to build nuclear warheads in their backyard, but otherwise they are good to use any 'usual' US-made software. Other commenters say it is significantly harder for companies in that list to banks because of that list. Is that true?
ldiracdelta 5y ago
Of course not. They liquidate and form another company under assumed aliases.
- deleted 5y ago
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- alwayseasy 5y ago
  The favorite game of North Koreans. Doesn't work well though.
- ryanlol 5y ago
  Yeaah, good luck hiring top talent like this.

Does this kill NSO? It seems like they might be too big and interconnected to be able to reasonably survive this.

by FDSGSG 5y ago

Does this kill NSO? It seems like they might be too big and interconnected to be able to reasonably survive this.

From the article: > NSO and a smaller Tel Aviv-based company, Candiru, were among four companies added by the US commerce department on Wednesday to its so-called entity list, which would restrict exports of US technology to the companies. From https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerce-adds-nso-group-and-other-foreign-companies-entity-list https://www.commerce.gov/news/press-releases/2021/11/commerc... > The Entity List is a tool utilized by BIS to restrict the export, reexport, and in-country transfer of items subject to the EAR to persons (individuals, organizations, companies) reasonably believed to be involved, have been involved, or pose a significant risk of being or becoming involved, in activities contrary to the national security or foreign policy interests of the United States. For the four entities added to the Entity List in this final rule, BIS imposes a license requirement that applies to all items subject to the EAR. In addition, no license exceptions are available for exports, reexports, or transfers (in-country) to the entities being added to the Entity List in this rule. BIS imposes a license review policy of a presumption of denial for these entities. General Entity List descriptions are available at https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/lists-of-parties-of-concern/entity-list https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/lists-of-p... It seems like it mostly restricts them from using US made tech and punishes US companies that supply them.

ryanlol 5y ago
> It seems like it mostly restricts them from using US made tech and punishes US companies that supply them. It’s also not super easy to find banks willing to work with companies publicly blacklisted by the US government.
samat 5y ago
I got down the rabbit hole (20 open tabs at 1AM local time, you know) and it seems most of the 'normal' software like Operating Systems & Devtools are classified as 'mass market' and are subject only to 'Anti-Terrorism enforcement', meaning you cannot sell them only to Iran and couple other countries. Meaning NSO Group could not buy tech to build nuclear warheads in their backyard, but otherwise they are good to use any 'usual' US-made software. Other commenters say it is significantly harder for companies in that list to banks because of that list. Is that true?

ldiracdelta 5y ago

Of course not. They liquidate and form another company under assumed aliases.

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alwayseasy 5y ago
The favorite game of North Koreans. Doesn't work well though.
ryanlol 5y ago
Yeaah, good luck hiring top talent like this.