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Even if the vaccines don't entirely curb transmission, they reduce it and reduce the risk of severe illness. While for an individual this might impact their dec

Even if the vaccines don't entirely curb transmission, they reduce it and reduce the risk of severe illness. While for an individual this might impact their decision making framework, I don't see how it should change the framework for public health officials. > politicians from one side of the aisle sticking their fingers in their ears, closing their eyes, and shouting "Nah nah nah I can't hear you!" Politicians on the other side of the aisle are attempting to ban any COVID prevention measures at all. I agree that vaccine mandates aren't the only tool available to us, but it's hard to argue with the mandates when there are people fighting against mandatory testing, mask wearing, and social distancing.

bedhead 5y ago
Oh vaccines reduce it by some vague amount, if at all, to vaccinated people whom you admit are at far less risk having been vaccinated? Oh well then go nuts, put in whatever draconian rules you want if it may or may not reduce some spread by some minor amount and means that someone gets COVID in 2023 instead of 2022. That's all the justification we need! Quarantine the kids. Fire police. Make everyone hate each other. Sounds totally worth it!! Yay!! This is the cult of safetyism. A total inability to process risk/reward and tradeoffs, and eschewing basic logic for "protection" whether real or imagined no matter the cost. All I sincerely ask to people such as yourself is, "What is your long-term plan? Is this forever for you?" Usually, I watch as their brains simply break down on the side of the highway. They have no answer because their logic is so bad they get stuck in an eddy with no way to get out. Welcome to the Church of COVID. And no, conservatives aren't banning prevention measures. Everyone alive is free to get vaccinated (and wear a mask) as most have even in places like Florida. They're banning punitive rules, and whether it's Florida or Texas or all of Scandinavia, they've demonstrated that there are no worse outcomes from simply allowing people to make their own health choices without figuratively putting a gun to their heads (mandates) or making them do anything they don't want to (masks). Meanwhile, half the world upon seeing this: "Nah nah nah I can't hear you!"
- sjg007 5y ago
  >Fire police. Really?
  - bedhead 5y ago
    Most crime-ridden city in America is vehemently trying to put in a policy which would cause potentially almost a third of their police fired. Again, cult of safetyism run amok. This is what fatally flawed logic gets you. https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-fop-john-catanzara-mayor-lori-lightfoot/11139232/ https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-fop-john-catanzara-ma...
    - notahacker 5y ago
      If a third of an underperforming police force doesn't respect either public safety or the law, the logic of replacing them seems impeccable to me...
      - bedhead 5y ago
        Behold, an Orthodox Covidian! So righteous! So caring! So noble! So educated!

bedhead 5y ago

Oh vaccines reduce it by some vague amount, if at all, to vaccinated people whom you admit are at far less risk having been vaccinated? Oh well then go nuts, put in whatever draconian rules you want if it may or may not reduce some spread by some minor amount and means that someone gets COVID in 2023 instead of 2022. That's all the justification we need! Quarantine the kids. Fire police. Make everyone hate each other. Sounds totally worth it!! Yay!! This is the cult of safetyism. A total inability to process risk/reward and tradeoffs, and eschewing basic logic for "protection" whether real or imagined no matter the cost. All I sincerely ask to people such as yourself is, "What is your long-term plan? Is this forever for you?" Usually, I watch as their brains simply break down on the side of the highway. They have no answer because their logic is so bad they get stuck in an eddy with no way to get out. Welcome to the Church of COVID. And no, conservatives aren't banning prevention measures. Everyone alive is free to get vaccinated (and wear a mask) as most have even in places like Florida. They're banning punitive rules, and whether it's Florida or Texas or all of Scandinavia, they've demonstrated that there are no worse outcomes from simply allowing people to make their own health choices without figuratively putting a gun to their heads (mandates) or making them do anything they don't want to (masks). Meanwhile, half the world upon seeing this: "Nah nah nah I can't hear you!"

sjg007 5y ago
>Fire police. Really?
- bedhead 5y ago
  Most crime-ridden city in America is vehemently trying to put in a policy which would cause potentially almost a third of their police fired. Again, cult of safetyism run amok. This is what fatally flawed logic gets you. https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-fop-john-catanzara-mayor-lori-lightfoot/11139232/ https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-police-fop-john-catanzara-ma...
  - notahacker 5y ago
    If a third of an underperforming police force doesn't respect either public safety or the law, the logic of replacing them seems impeccable to me...
    - bedhead 5y ago
      Behold, an Orthodox Covidian! So righteous! So caring! So noble! So educated!