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Agreed, views against stand ups are either team members hiding issues or the team is not doing stand ups like best practices suggest. Most of my teams problems

by brixon 5y ago

Agreed, views against stand ups are either team members hiding issues or the team is not doing stand ups like best practices suggest. Most of my teams problems with Agile/SCRUM come down to skipping steps or not following best practices. Once we fix those, it gets better.

mdtusz 5y ago
What are the steps to agile? If you read the agile manifesto, there are no specifically prescribed steps or rituals, and in my experience, most teams implementation of scrum is entirely counterproductive to actually being agile. The core tenet of being agile is essentially people over process, and things like daily stand-ups, extremely formulaic retrospectives and backlog grooming meetings do nothing to empower the people and allow them to be truly agile.
- icedchai 5y ago
  It's supposed to be "people over process", yet most "scrum" is all about process: too many meetings and other assorted bullshit like filling out your sprint planning and retrospective report every 2 weeks.
  - ryathal 5y ago
    Scrum is about getting people to talk to each other and that's what all the process is about. If you already have good communication between developers and those making the business decisions, then sure scrum is probably a waste. Places that actually have that communication without having scrum force those people into a room aren't common. It's also common that places that don't really do scrum don't have empowered PO's or devs, so the meetings are wasted time.
d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
Yeah, but devs can be finicky about waking up early. Half my team was fine with 9am and the other half preferred working more of a 11am-7pm shift. We experimented with asynch Slack standup but it fizzled out after a few weeks.
- solidasparagus 5y ago
  So do 11am standups?
  - d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
    Doesn't solve the interrupt problem OP was referring to.
malermeister 5y ago
In a thread about the time wasted by blindly following "agile" rituals, you suggest... more pointless "agile" rituals?

by brixon 5y ago

mdtusz 5y ago

What are the steps to agile? If you read the agile manifesto, there are no specifically prescribed steps or rituals, and in my experience, most teams implementation of scrum is entirely counterproductive to actually being agile. The core tenet of being agile is essentially people over process, and things like daily stand-ups, extremely formulaic retrospectives and backlog grooming meetings do nothing to empower the people and allow them to be truly agile.

icedchai 5y ago
It's supposed to be "people over process", yet most "scrum" is all about process: too many meetings and other assorted bullshit like filling out your sprint planning and retrospective report every 2 weeks.
- ryathal 5y ago
  Scrum is about getting people to talk to each other and that's what all the process is about. If you already have good communication between developers and those making the business decisions, then sure scrum is probably a waste. Places that actually have that communication without having scrum force those people into a room aren't common. It's also common that places that don't really do scrum don't have empowered PO's or devs, so the meetings are wasted time.

d0gsg0w00f 5y ago

Yeah, but devs can be finicky about waking up early. Half my team was fine with 9am and the other half preferred working more of a 11am-7pm shift. We experimented with asynch Slack standup but it fizzled out after a few weeks.

solidasparagus 5y ago
So do 11am standups?
- d0gsg0w00f 5y ago
  Doesn't solve the interrupt problem OP was referring to.

malermeister 5y ago

In a thread about the time wasted by blindly following "agile" rituals, you suggest... more pointless "agile" rituals?