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I'm always flabbergasted when someone asks what's the point. It would be a very different game if the captain on the field initiates the huddle and expects ever

by 0des 5y ago

I'm always flabbergasted when someone asks what's the point. It would be a very different game if the captain on the field initiates the huddle and expects everyone to get jazzed about "ALRIGHT LETS THROW THE BALL SOME AND THEN WE WILL CATCH IT SOME AND THERE MAY BE RUNNING INVOLVED! LETS GO, ON THREE! ONE TWO THREE GO TEAM"

g051051 5y ago
The huddle is play selection, not design. It's also often dictated by the coach. TBH, I wonder what point a huddle serves in modern football anyway. Just how much control to the players on the field have, anyway?
- 0des 5y ago
  The design doc discusses design, the standup aligns the team by discussing the 'play' if you don't mind me elaborating on this analogy.
  - g051051 5y ago
    I lack sufficient football knowledge to carry the analogy much further. My understanding is that there's no real discussion...the play is called by the coach, the QB (I expect) relays the play to the team in the huddle, and they execute it per the playbook that they all study. To be comparable, the standup would be where you get your work assigned for the day.
- HWR_14 5y ago
  The huddle is about the QB disseminating the play they are about to run - he's the only one allowed to (in pro football) have a radio link to the coach. Not to vote on the play that is about to be run. My guess is feedback about people's physical condition and needing to be pulled from the game is the only feedback allowed (other than a question if they forgot something about the play, I guess?)
- ryathal 5y ago
  Modern football plays are far more dynamic than ever, if the defense shows man to man then do x, if they show zone do y, if they show blitz Z is the quick target, or if star receiver is mismatched then go deep.
Jensson 5y ago
The difference is that in a football game you don't have time to talk to each other during the game. In a software team you do have plenty of time and opportunities to talk as soon as a blocker or issue appears, and everyone can see who is assigned to what tasks, who submitted what changes and read updates about blockers in the project management tooling the instant those events happens. In other words, if you have plenty to talk about in your stand-ups then you are doing something wrong. Which is the point of Scrum, this fixes communication issues, but your team really shouldn't need this.
- jseban 5y ago
  > The difference is that in a football game you don't have time to talk to each other during the game. In a software team you do have plenty of time and opportunities to talk as soon as a blocker or issue appears Yes. The other difference is that football has absolutely nothing to do with software development whatsoever, so why organise as a football team, that just seems like a bad joke to me.
- Drew_ 5y ago
  > In a software team you do have plenty of time and opportunities to talk as soon as a blocker or issue appears If only this we're always true. In reality your teammates can be busy which means queries to them will often go unanswered. Standup is the only time to guarantee responses from busy people on the team.
watwut 5y ago
But we are not playing football, we are doing software. And it is much different occupation.
Clubber 5y ago
Ok, let's do our football daily standup, every play in the huddle: Tackle: I'm going to block. No blockers (err). Tackle: I'm going to block. No blockers (err). Guard: I'm going to block. No blockers (err). Guard: I'm going to block. No blockers (err). Center: I'm going to snap the ball then block. No blockers (err). Running back: I'm going to run. No blockers. Wide Receiver: I'm going to run then maybe catch the ball. No blockers. Wide Receiver: I'm going to run then maybe catch the ball. No blockers. Wide Receiver: I'm going to run then maybe catch the ball. No blockers. Quarterback: I'm got to receive the snap, then do something with the ball. No blockers. Tight End: I'm going to block. My blocker is that my shoe is untied. Guard: You should tie your shoe. Guard: You should tie your shoe. Running back: You should tie your shoe. Quarterback: Would you guys STFU, we've got stuff to do. Tackle: Daily standups are important for morale and communication. Referee: Delay of game, 5 yard penalty, repeat the down.

by 0des 5y ago

g051051 5y ago

The huddle is play selection, not design. It's also often dictated by the coach. TBH, I wonder what point a huddle serves in modern football anyway. Just how much control to the players on the field have, anyway?

0des 5y ago
The design doc discusses design, the standup aligns the team by discussing the 'play' if you don't mind me elaborating on this analogy.
- g051051 5y ago
  I lack sufficient football knowledge to carry the analogy much further. My understanding is that there's no real discussion...the play is called by the coach, the QB (I expect) relays the play to the team in the huddle, and they execute it per the playbook that they all study. To be comparable, the standup would be where you get your work assigned for the day.
HWR_14 5y ago
The huddle is about the QB disseminating the play they are about to run - he's the only one allowed to (in pro football) have a radio link to the coach. Not to vote on the play that is about to be run. My guess is feedback about people's physical condition and needing to be pulled from the game is the only feedback allowed (other than a question if they forgot something about the play, I guess?)
ryathal 5y ago
Modern football plays are far more dynamic than ever, if the defense shows man to man then do x, if they show zone do y, if they show blitz Z is the quick target, or if star receiver is mismatched then go deep.

Jensson 5y ago

The difference is that in a football game you don't have time to talk to each other during the game. In a software team you do have plenty of time and opportunities to talk as soon as a blocker or issue appears, and everyone can see who is assigned to what tasks, who submitted what changes and read updates about blockers in the project management tooling the instant those events happens. In other words, if you have plenty to talk about in your stand-ups then you are doing something wrong. Which is the point of Scrum, this fixes communication issues, but your team really shouldn't need this.

jseban 5y ago
> The difference is that in a football game you don't have time to talk to each other during the game. In a software team you do have plenty of time and opportunities to talk as soon as a blocker or issue appears Yes. The other difference is that football has absolutely nothing to do with software development whatsoever, so why organise as a football team, that just seems like a bad joke to me.
Drew_ 5y ago
> In a software team you do have plenty of time and opportunities to talk as soon as a blocker or issue appears If only this we're always true. In reality your teammates can be busy which means queries to them will often go unanswered. Standup is the only time to guarantee responses from busy people on the team.

watwut 5y ago

But we are not playing football, we are doing software. And it is much different occupation.

Clubber 5y ago

Ok, let's do our football daily standup, every play in the huddle: Tackle: I'm going to block. No blockers (err). Tackle: I'm going to block. No blockers (err). Guard: I'm going to block. No blockers (err). Guard: I'm going to block. No blockers (err). Center: I'm going to snap the ball then block. No blockers (err). Running back: I'm going to run. No blockers. Wide Receiver: I'm going to run then maybe catch the ball. No blockers. Wide Receiver: I'm going to run then maybe catch the ball. No blockers. Wide Receiver: I'm going to run then maybe catch the ball. No blockers. Quarterback: I'm got to receive the snap, then do something with the ball. No blockers. Tight End: I'm going to block. My blocker is that my shoe is untied. Guard: You should tie your shoe. Guard: You should tie your shoe. Running back: You should tie your shoe. Quarterback: Would you guys STFU, we've got stuff to do. Tackle: Daily standups are important for morale and communication. Referee: Delay of game, 5 yard penalty, repeat the down.