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If a restaurant asks me to not talk with my partner while I’m eating there, I’ll just chose to not eat there. I’m vaccinated. I’ve done my part. It seems like
by dymk 5y ago
If a restaurant asks me to not talk with my partner while I’m eating there, I’ll just chose to not eat there.
I’m vaccinated. I’ve done my part. It seems like new restrictions and rules are forever escalating, and will continue to do so past any reasonable point.
- macintux 5y ago[flagged]
- syshum 5y agoThe OP did not say they could not, or should not be allowed to prevent patrons from talking, only that they personally would choose not to eat there To many people believe "freedom" means "people need to do, and accept what I want"... That is not freedom the business is free to say "no talking" and I am free to say "no shopping there".... That is the market at work. The problem is when government attempts to impose requirements on either the business or the customer. Let the market work, we do not need government mandating in either direction
- macintux 5y agoI specifically quoted the part I disagreed with: “I’ve done my part”.
- horns4lyfe 5y agoIf it’s obvious the vaccine doesn’t stop the spread, then why is it table stakes for anything? At that point it’s just a personal safety choice, and I don’t care at all if others get it.
- taylortbb 5y agoThere's space between "stops the spread" and "doesn't affect the spread" . Current vaccination levels are inadequate to stop the spread, but they do significantly reduce it.
- pessimizer 5y agoVaccination isn't a ticket or an anointment, it's an injection that prepares your immune system to better fight the coronavirus. Saying that there's no need for it because it's not a complete solution is like selling your car because you still have to walk to get from your couch to your car.
- horns4lyfe 5y agoSure, and that’s why I got it. That doesn’t explain why everyone is so hell-bent on forcing others to get it.
- knowfilter 5y agoPeople are encouraged to get vaccinations to reduce the transmission of diseases
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- ajuc 5y agoIf a parachute doesn't stop the fall why use it? Let's jump without.
- horns4lyfe 5y agoHow does that address my point of getting the vaccine myself vs others getting it? Also, even if I was just talking about the value of getting the vaccine (which I wasn’t) that’s a terrible analogy. If you jump out of a plane without a parachute you’ll certainly die. As a healthy person, if I get covid I will almost certainly survive and recover quickly.
- ajuc 5y agoIt addresses the point that a measure doesn't need to be 100% effective to be worth using.
- tasogare 5y agoBecause otherwise big pharma couldn't get richer and politicians pushing it wouldn't get their commission, which is more important than the lifes of catt...citizens. Political actions like forbidding hospital access to unvaccinated people in France showed long time ago that the purpose of vaccine mandates is not health related.
- dTal 5y agoSame reason it's illegal to not wear your seatbelt. Your "personal safety choice" becomes everyone's problem when you get hurt and take up a hospital bed.
- dymk 5y agoThe point isn’t stopping the spread now, it’s preventing hospitals from filling up. Past that I see no reason to increase lockdown measures.
- syshum 5y agoWell good news, that was done a long time ago to the point now where the hospitals are soo empty we can just fire people for not following the mandates... I mean they would not fire nurses and doctors if they were critically needed would they?... Sarcasm aside... from most reports I see in the US, the hospitals are filling up with non-covid people that delayed treatments to mass fear around covid, now all of the other every day illness is catching up to people. good job we did there with the fear propaganda
- veidr 5y agoIt doesn't stop the spread, but it decreases it. How the fuck are we even having this conversation in the end of 2021?!
- exo762 5y ago> It’s increasingly obvious vaccination doesn’t prevent the spread. The idea that spread is something that should be stopped at ANY cost is false. Now, what is the price we are willing to pay to stop it? We've already used a novel vaccine. What next? The highest price acceptable by me has been paid.
- Ekaros 5y agoMandatory testing before you are allowed to leave house? I see that as next logical step. And really should have been the chosen method instead of vaccination passports.
- syshum 5y agoSo where do you stop? Do I need mandatory testing for all illness as well? What about inebration, should my door have a BAC meter on it? Every car?? The amount of draconian authoritarianism people are willing to accept here is insanity to me. I often read Sci-Fi dystopian novels thinking "How could a future like that happen really" Now I know... people are willing to trade every ounce of freedom they have for the perception of safety. Very sad
- nextaccountic 5y agoThe price of inaction is way higher. There are still people dying of Covid. Covid deaths in the US are at the same level as they were in May 2020.
- tasogare 5y agoI agree with your first paragraph. I don't eat with other people often but if a shop asked me not to talk when being with someone else I would just go elsewhere. Also I suspect the writer of the article put lot of efforts searching for such a shop because the only place I ever saw with the mokushoku policy is one of the university cafeteria and people (including me) don't follow it anyway. There is also a lot of plastic, which is useless but in line of the Japanese mentality of doing things for the sake of doing them instead of the impact it has on the output.
- sildur 5y agoAt this point I'm starting to suspect this is basically people on a power trip, disguised.
- iszomer 5y agoWhat I don't understand is why The Atlantic is compelled to write up this piece of how to eat ramen from a Western perspective. Shouldn't this specific mandate be more applicable to those eating at a teppanyaki or hot pot restaurant instead? Eating ramen is highly individualized and tends to not include miscellaneous side dishes.
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- arp242 5y ago> If a restaurant asks me to not talk with my partner while I’m eating there, I’ll just chose to not eat there. That's fair enough. Personally, I think I'd actually appreciate this kind of quiet and serenity for a bit, completely separate from COVID. A moment of peace, silence, and reflection. I think we could all do with a bit more of that instead of the constant distractions of music, chatter, etc.
- dymk 5y agoYou do you. But I'll eat at home alone if that's what I want to do. If I'm eating at a restaurant, almost all of the value proposition is the environment and socialization with the people I went with.
- marssaxman 5y agoI feel similarly about the "show ID and proof of vaccination to enter" policy that went into effect last week here in King County. It's too much. I got my shots, I've done my part with masks and distancing and so forth; a "return to normal" which includes checkpoints and paperwork at every door does not feel at all normal to me. I'd rather just keep waiting.
- dymk 5y agoYou know what the real kicker is? The new King County policy _explicitly_ disallows asking for ID to verify the name on the vaccination card matches the person holding it (something about being unequitable for those who don't have an ID). It's all a power trip, meant to look like leadership is taking decisive action. But they have no idea what they're doing.