> Individualistic societies seem to be having a particular problem with these concepts. Above all, the more individualistic individuals even within those socie

> Individualistic societies seem to be having a particular problem with these concepts. Above all, the more individualistic individuals even within those societies. To spell it out: Even in America -- which for all I know you, andyjohnson0, could well be from just like I'm pretty sure helloworld11 is -- there are sensible people like you. But yes, in those societies three are more of the helloworld11-style "Rah, rah, mah freedum!" ones than elsewhere.