4 ms·

It has a surplus of blue collar jobs and a oversupply of children wanting white collar jobs (the only viable way to supply for the older generations pensions).

It has a surplus of blue collar jobs and a oversupply of children wanting white collar jobs (the only viable way to supply for the older generations pensions). China is on a Route for massive upheaval. There are already protests of students, whos diploma has been downgraded to force them int blue collar jobs - condemning there parents to poverty.

nsonha 5y ago
> a surplus of blue collar jobs and a oversupply of children wanting white collar jobs is this unique to China? > protests of students, whos diploma has been downgraded to force them int blue collar jobs Institutional education leaves people disillusioned, hardly unique to China either
- OneTimePetes 5y ago
  This is hardly the same. Here is one of the "rare" leaks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDhlIvG2EdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDhlIvG2EdA They actually devalue the title by merging trade-schools with colleges. Imagine paying college tuition to get a trade-education for it.
  - nsonha 5y ago
    > devalue the title People still give a shit about this title thing? If you are paying college tuition for the "title" but get trade-education instead, that would be a scam. The scam is your actual education not the degree you receive. Sounds like this government reform changes nothing about the actual quality of the education. And please don't just assume people know random dude on youtube that you follow. Who is this guy, what makes him a credible source of information on China? Why couldn't he just get to the contemporary matter already without constantly referring back to Tiananmen? Yawning as as watching through this.
    - Arbalest 5y ago
      > People still give a shit about this title thing? I mean, yes. That's pretty much the case anywhere, I don't see how China is an exception. Especially anywhere where there's a lot of competition, employers will use any excuse to choose one person over another. Employers want simple indicators that don't use lots of time and effort to select graduates (most of the time). Then if credentials aren't enough, they're going to resort to interview processes that double as hazing rituals. The reality is that employers can't really effectively measure a persons objective capacity. They are dealing with people who are putting the instagram treatment to their professional image, and employers are made up of humans. This goes to a deeper issue with human psychology and game theory. No one can afford to comprehensively assess other people, so they resort to all sorts of shortcuts to judge others. It's how bias and stereotyping occurs. This occurs everywhere, not just in education for employment. The very fact that people are judged by their wealth and social standing instead of other factors is the ultimate judgement shortcut, because getting to know everyone personally is a big time investment. So this isn't an isolated case of stuff that only happens in hiring, but to societies everywhere. So in conclusion: > The scam is your actual education not the degree you receive. If this were true, then being an autodidact would be a lot more prestigious than it actually is.
MichaelZuo 5y ago
What’s stopping the pensions of parents being supplied like most developed countries, from the government?
- OneTimePetes 5y ago
  The government being the most hardcore capitalist machine on the planet ?
  - MichaelZuo 5y ago
    I’m not sure if your trolling or not. You do realize many on HN would claim just the opposite? There are also many folks who believe the US or Singapore or Hong Kong have a strong claim to that, libertarians especially. What sort of evidence do you have to prove such an extraordinary assertion?

nsonha 5y ago

> a surplus of blue collar jobs and a oversupply of children wanting white collar jobs is this unique to China? > protests of students, whos diploma has been downgraded to force them int blue collar jobs Institutional education leaves people disillusioned, hardly unique to China either

OneTimePetes 5y ago
This is hardly the same. Here is one of the "rare" leaks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDhlIvG2EdA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDhlIvG2EdA They actually devalue the title by merging trade-schools with colleges. Imagine paying college tuition to get a trade-education for it.
- nsonha 5y ago
  > devalue the title People still give a shit about this title thing? If you are paying college tuition for the "title" but get trade-education instead, that would be a scam. The scam is your actual education not the degree you receive. Sounds like this government reform changes nothing about the actual quality of the education. And please don't just assume people know random dude on youtube that you follow. Who is this guy, what makes him a credible source of information on China? Why couldn't he just get to the contemporary matter already without constantly referring back to Tiananmen? Yawning as as watching through this.
  - Arbalest 5y ago
    > People still give a shit about this title thing? I mean, yes. That's pretty much the case anywhere, I don't see how China is an exception. Especially anywhere where there's a lot of competition, employers will use any excuse to choose one person over another. Employers want simple indicators that don't use lots of time and effort to select graduates (most of the time). Then if credentials aren't enough, they're going to resort to interview processes that double as hazing rituals. The reality is that employers can't really effectively measure a persons objective capacity. They are dealing with people who are putting the instagram treatment to their professional image, and employers are made up of humans. This goes to a deeper issue with human psychology and game theory. No one can afford to comprehensively assess other people, so they resort to all sorts of shortcuts to judge others. It's how bias and stereotyping occurs. This occurs everywhere, not just in education for employment. The very fact that people are judged by their wealth and social standing instead of other factors is the ultimate judgement shortcut, because getting to know everyone personally is a big time investment. So this isn't an isolated case of stuff that only happens in hiring, but to societies everywhere. So in conclusion: > The scam is your actual education not the degree you receive. If this were true, then being an autodidact would be a lot more prestigious than it actually is.

MichaelZuo 5y ago

What’s stopping the pensions of parents being supplied like most developed countries, from the government?

OneTimePetes 5y ago
The government being the most hardcore capitalist machine on the planet ?
- MichaelZuo 5y ago
  I’m not sure if your trolling or not. You do realize many on HN would claim just the opposite? There are also many folks who believe the US or Singapore or Hong Kong have a strong claim to that, libertarians especially. What sort of evidence do you have to prove such an extraordinary assertion?