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It’s not either or. These are complementary things. I’ve been extremely online since the mid-90s for example. There’s nothing sinister or world changing here. O

It’s not either or. These are complementary things. I’ve been extremely online since the mid-90s for example. There’s nothing sinister or world changing here. Online isn’t a separate universe it’s just a part of IRL.

ZephyrBlu 5y ago
I think you're proving his point beautifully. You've been online since the mid-90s, so you're ~40 or older? I don't mean to be derogatory, but you sound exactly like an "oldie" who is out of touch as described by the GP. Zoomers are absolutely spending more time online and less time IRL than previous generations. I'm only 23 and the difference between my childhood and my younger siblings is massive. They generally prefer to socialize by playing online games with their friends rather than hanging out with them in person, and they do so for hours at a time. I used to go to friends houses to play games. That doesn't seem to happen anymore.
- randomsearch 5y ago
  Exactly right, and thank you for “Zoomers” as a better label. General rule here I think is that if you don’t think there’s a tectonic shift then you need to go talk to the Zoomers. Who knows how this turns out but I’m pretty sure it’s not something I’m going to feel comfortable with. There are so many implications: how will different facets of being human translate online? How will this affect our health? And perhaps most critically, in an online world there can be an ultimate power in a way impossible IRL
- meheleventyone 5y ago
  Don't worry you can be an oldie too if your childhood is massively different to your siblings! You're looking at your younger siblings and I'm looking at my kids. We see different things and honestly I think this is a bit of a moral panic like we saw with rock and roll, comics, TV, video games during my youth, kids playing online games when I was your age and so on.
  - randomsearch 5y ago
    > I think this is a bit of a moral panic I really hope that's true. How do you reconcile that with, for example, teenage psychological problems and suicides linked to social media usage? Video games of the past were quite different from today. I feel like the closure of the tight feedback loop, and the sensorial immersiveness are just a fundamental step change.
    - meheleventyone 5y ago
      Being concerned about specific things where there is actual evidence is absolutely fine.
  - ZephyrBlu 5y ago
    How old are your kids and what's their behaviour like? I used my siblings as an example. The impression I get is that behaviour similar to that of my siblings is very common in general. Btw I do actually feel somewhat like an "oldie" already.

ZephyrBlu 5y ago

I think you're proving his point beautifully. You've been online since the mid-90s, so you're ~40 or older? I don't mean to be derogatory, but you sound exactly like an "oldie" who is out of touch as described by the GP. Zoomers are absolutely spending more time online and less time IRL than previous generations. I'm only 23 and the difference between my childhood and my younger siblings is massive. They generally prefer to socialize by playing online games with their friends rather than hanging out with them in person, and they do so for hours at a time. I used to go to friends houses to play games. That doesn't seem to happen anymore.

randomsearch 5y ago
Exactly right, and thank you for “Zoomers” as a better label. General rule here I think is that if you don’t think there’s a tectonic shift then you need to go talk to the Zoomers. Who knows how this turns out but I’m pretty sure it’s not something I’m going to feel comfortable with. There are so many implications: how will different facets of being human translate online? How will this affect our health? And perhaps most critically, in an online world there can be an ultimate power in a way impossible IRL
meheleventyone 5y ago
Don't worry you can be an oldie too if your childhood is massively different to your siblings! You're looking at your younger siblings and I'm looking at my kids. We see different things and honestly I think this is a bit of a moral panic like we saw with rock and roll, comics, TV, video games during my youth, kids playing online games when I was your age and so on.
- randomsearch 5y ago
  > I think this is a bit of a moral panic I really hope that's true. How do you reconcile that with, for example, teenage psychological problems and suicides linked to social media usage? Video games of the past were quite different from today. I feel like the closure of the tight feedback loop, and the sensorial immersiveness are just a fundamental step change.
  - meheleventyone 5y ago
    Being concerned about specific things where there is actual evidence is absolutely fine.
- ZephyrBlu 5y ago
  How old are your kids and what's their behaviour like? I used my siblings as an example. The impression I get is that behaviour similar to that of my siblings is very common in general. Btw I do actually feel somewhat like an "oldie" already.