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> and identity politics complaining about how the music production is “white” without defining what makes music white or colonialist. Several examples were giv

> and identity politics complaining about how the music production is “white” without defining what makes music white or colonialist. Several examples were given, referencing available music scales and tools for eliminating dialect and individual variation. They also gave citations for what they meant where they introduced this complaint. [1] 1. Philip Ewell, ‘Music Theory and the White Racial Frame’ Music Theory Online, 26(2), 2020 <https://mtosmt.org/issues/mto.20.26.2/mto.20.26.2.ewell.html https://mtosmt.org/issues/mto.20.26.2/mto.20.26.2.ewell.html>. ↑

GhettoComputers 5y ago
>For over twenty years, music theory has tried to diversify with respect to race, yet the field today remains remarkably white, not only in terms of the people who practice music theory but also in the race of the composers and theorists whose work music theory privileges. In this paper, a critical-race examination of the field of music theory, I try to come to terms with why this is so. I posit that there exists a “white racial frame” in music theory that is structural and institutionalized, and that only through a deframing and reframing of this white racial frame will we begin to see positive racial changes in music theory. Does it refuse to get rid of dialect and variation if the race of the person processed is white? If it doesn’t it doesn’t make it white. I’m not reading the whole crazy pointless long article about more fake problems, the abstract is ridiculous enough. They complain about the company stealing cultural music, while they complain that nonwhite world music doesn’t exist and can’t be made on it. They can’t have it both ways. https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/spot https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/spot... it’s just another meaningless complaint that has no bearing on reality like all their complains. How stupid are they to complain it’s both taking cultural music and not allowing people to make anything but white music?
- guerrilla 5y ago
  > Does it refuse to get rid of dialect and variation if the race of the person processed is white? If it doesn’t it doesn’t make it white. For it to remove any dialect, it has to consider some dialect as standard. Think about it. > I’m not reading the whole crazy pointless long article about more fake problems, the abstract is ridiculous enough. Well if you're going to question-beg, then you can't really complain can you. The rest of what you said is a different complaint than the one I answered, so you're moving the goal post but then setting up a straw man of what that person wrote when you say such music can't be made on it. They were specific in what they said and it didn't exclude the possibility of making some of it with it. This subject is definitely something that's been discussed a lot in music lately, so apparently it's not that meaningless to many people. Adam Neely has a popular video on what people are talking about if you're curious. [1] 1. https://youtu.be/Kr3quGh7pJA https://youtu.be/Kr3quGh7pJA
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
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    - guerrilla 5y ago
      It seems like you've already made up your mind. There's no problem and anyone bringing up a problem doesn't make sense and is making frivolous arguments and you're just going to call them names instead of look into any of it. I can't say I think that's the best way to approach it.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        Why do you expect me to read long poorly written propaganda? In imitation of my reading of Das Kapital (a few book 1's chapters), none of it makes sense and it bores me to tears. The length and the low density of information isn't convincing, succient, and its meandering. All these long winded boring passages aren't making any good points, they could all benefits from learning to write instead of dredging up problems looking for anything to blame on racism. Naomi Klein I may disagree with but she is a pleasure to read, while I don't see any reason for me to suffer through writing worst than a 12 year old in public school with no good points, what a waste it would be to suffer through walls of boring prose of race huslers with no benefits. Why should anyone be expected to sort this garbage for the creators looking for good ideas where there obviously is none when the writers don't find the time to write and edit better so their ideas are spread? The best way to approach it would have been to block the URL forever but I made the mistake of reading even a bit of it. The writer didn’t post the music they made, I’m sure it’s even worst crap then the low quality article.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

>For over twenty years, music theory has tried to diversify with respect to race, yet the field today remains remarkably white, not only in terms of the people who practice music theory but also in the race of the composers and theorists whose work music theory privileges. In this paper, a critical-race examination of the field of music theory, I try to come to terms with why this is so. I posit that there exists a “white racial frame” in music theory that is structural and institutionalized, and that only through a deframing and reframing of this white racial frame will we begin to see positive racial changes in music theory. Does it refuse to get rid of dialect and variation if the race of the person processed is white? If it doesn’t it doesn’t make it white. I’m not reading the whole crazy pointless long article about more fake problems, the abstract is ridiculous enough. They complain about the company stealing cultural music, while they complain that nonwhite world music doesn’t exist and can’t be made on it. They can’t have it both ways. https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/spot https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/spot... it’s just another meaningless complaint that has no bearing on reality like all their complains. How stupid are they to complain it’s both taking cultural music and not allowing people to make anything but white music?

guerrilla 5y ago
> Does it refuse to get rid of dialect and variation if the race of the person processed is white? If it doesn’t it doesn’t make it white. For it to remove any dialect, it has to consider some dialect as standard. Think about it. > I’m not reading the whole crazy pointless long article about more fake problems, the abstract is ridiculous enough. Well if you're going to question-beg, then you can't really complain can you. The rest of what you said is a different complaint than the one I answered, so you're moving the goal post but then setting up a straw man of what that person wrote when you say such music can't be made on it. They were specific in what they said and it didn't exclude the possibility of making some of it with it. This subject is definitely something that's been discussed a lot in music lately, so apparently it's not that meaningless to many people. Adam Neely has a popular video on what people are talking about if you're curious. [1] 1. https://youtu.be/Kr3quGh7pJA https://youtu.be/Kr3quGh7pJA
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
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  - guerrilla 5y ago
    It seems like you've already made up your mind. There's no problem and anyone bringing up a problem doesn't make sense and is making frivolous arguments and you're just going to call them names instead of look into any of it. I can't say I think that's the best way to approach it.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Why do you expect me to read long poorly written propaganda? In imitation of my reading of Das Kapital (a few book 1's chapters), none of it makes sense and it bores me to tears. The length and the low density of information isn't convincing, succient, and its meandering. All these long winded boring passages aren't making any good points, they could all benefits from learning to write instead of dredging up problems looking for anything to blame on racism. Naomi Klein I may disagree with but she is a pleasure to read, while I don't see any reason for me to suffer through writing worst than a 12 year old in public school with no good points, what a waste it would be to suffer through walls of boring prose of race huslers with no benefits. Why should anyone be expected to sort this garbage for the creators looking for good ideas where there obviously is none when the writers don't find the time to write and edit better so their ideas are spread? The best way to approach it would have been to block the URL forever but I made the mistake of reading even a bit of it. The writer didn’t post the music they made, I’m sure it’s even worst crap then the low quality article.