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Even when the speed of light is not an issue (i.e. Canada), many people are essentially barred from storing data in US websites, because the possibility of warr

by ojbyrne 18y ago

Even when the speed of light is not an issue (i.e. Canada), many people are essentially barred from storing data in US websites, because the possibility of warrantless searches conflict with privacy laws.

hugh 18y ago
Are you suggesting that no other government on Earth is capable of, or willing to do warrantless searches?
- ojbyrne 18y ago
  Only saying that (as the article briefly touches on) companies and governments in Canada and Europe are not allowed to store sensitive data on US websites (by law). Kind of a competitive disadvantage.
anamax 18y ago
That's nice, but the article was about transport routes, not what happens at the end points.
- ojbyrne 18y ago
  "Some Internet technologists and privacy advocates say those actions and other government policies may be hastening the shift in Canadian and European traffic away from the United States. Since passage of the Patriot Act, many companies based outside of the United States have been reluctant to store client information in the U.S.,” said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. “There is an ongoing concern that U.S. intelligence agencies will gather this information without legal process. There is particular sensitivity about access to financial information as well as communications and Internet traffic that goes through U.S. switches." Direct quote, above the fold, first page.
  - DanielBMarkham 18y ago
    "some say.. those actions. may be" Sure would be nice if the newspaper of record could come up with something a little more substantive in their reporting/analysis. I'm not arguing with the premise -- I have no data to go one way or another. But I still have no data, and I read the article. Something wrong about that. The NYT really should be better than that.
    - ojbyrne 18y ago
      That paragraph is followed immediately by an example, which I included.
      - DanielBMarkham 18y ago
        A general, vague statement followed by an anecdote does not a news story make. It's just noise. A study, with details on how the study was done and comparisons to previous studies/measurements? Different animal entirely. Think about it this way. It would not be hard, using the same standards of journalism, to write another true story with the opposite conclusion.

by ojbyrne 18y ago

hugh 18y ago

Are you suggesting that no other government on Earth is capable of, or willing to do warrantless searches?

ojbyrne 18y ago
Only saying that (as the article briefly touches on) companies and governments in Canada and Europe are not allowed to store sensitive data on US websites (by law). Kind of a competitive disadvantage.

anamax 18y ago

That's nice, but the article was about transport routes, not what happens at the end points.

ojbyrne 18y ago
"Some Internet technologists and privacy advocates say those actions and other government policies may be hastening the shift in Canadian and European traffic away from the United States. Since passage of the Patriot Act, many companies based outside of the United States have been reluctant to store client information in the U.S.,” said Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center in Washington. “There is an ongoing concern that U.S. intelligence agencies will gather this information without legal process. There is particular sensitivity about access to financial information as well as communications and Internet traffic that goes through U.S. switches." Direct quote, above the fold, first page.
- DanielBMarkham 18y ago
  "some say.. those actions. may be" Sure would be nice if the newspaper of record could come up with something a little more substantive in their reporting/analysis. I'm not arguing with the premise -- I have no data to go one way or another. But I still have no data, and I read the article. Something wrong about that. The NYT really should be better than that.
  - ojbyrne 18y ago
    That paragraph is followed immediately by an example, which I included.
    - DanielBMarkham 18y ago
      A general, vague statement followed by an anecdote does not a news story make. It's just noise. A study, with details on how the study was done and comparisons to previous studies/measurements? Different animal entirely. Think about it this way. It would not be hard, using the same standards of journalism, to write another true story with the opposite conclusion.