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This is something that actually differs for people [citation needed]. As in, please do google, but fiber works perfectly for some people while fiber does nothin

This is something that actually differs for people [citation needed]. As in, please do google, but fiber works perfectly for some people while fiber does nothing for others. It's genetics. So you're both right and wrong ;) I'd be more interested in scaling that by calories. I.e. what happens if you make all of those the same amount of calories instead of grams. I think that does wonders for how we eat. One of the benefits of keto for example (once you're actually in at least mild ketosis) is that you don't actually feel hungry any longer and the calories are just taken from your fat stores. The body no longer 'cares' for easily usable carbs. It has come to terms with the fact that there are no carbs to use and thus it no longer 'sends the signal to go eat more carbs'. It 'knows' that there's a lot of fat stored in the body that it can use up and so it just does that. I dunno if you're done keto but one thing that happened, at least for me, is that foods that normally don't taste sweet started tasting sweet. E.g the first pancake I had after starting keto (and being in blood test verified ketosis) did definitely taste sweet (recipe: spelt flour, egg, milk) without anything on it. This is where I think the 'fasting' of many religions has health benefits (nevermind that none of that is explained and it's just religious tradition/rules - but they were onto something basically).

joshuahaglund 5y ago
You basically said "fiber needs are different, google it" so I did, and I don't see anything supporting that statement. You bring up ketosis but I though we're talking about more or less "normal" diets that consume carbs. I think keto is (in most instances) a dangerous fad diet, but feel free to experiment. Tho I have at various times cut sugar and processed carbohydrates (only eating whole grains) out of my diet and everything was sweeter. Fasting and keto are not the same thing.
- tharkun__ 5y ago
  Looks like we have a different understanding of my words. I never said that fiber needs are different. I said that fiber works for some people but not for others. I should have specified better. What I meant is that apparently while many if not most people feel satiated from eating fiber, others don't. I.e. it does not help them feel full. You still want to eat a good amount of fiber for other reasons, such as having enough "bulk". I never said keto and fasting were the same. I drew a link between some of the benefits that I saw from going keto and some of the benefits of fasting. I am interested though to hear more about why you say it is a dangerous fad diet. I think you're definitely are onto something, if I interpret correctly but I don't want to mis-interpret. I say that because I see a lot of "keto bomb", "keto bar", keto this and keto that pre-packaged food popping up in the grocery stores. I wouldn't trust any of that either. There's also a lot of fluffy and shiny info out there on the internet about it. As with any topic really, one has to be careful while doing research, especially if someone wants to sell you something.
  - joshuahaglund 5y ago
    Ok but I'm just not gonna continue the discussion if you make claims, tell me to google, I come back and say "didn't find anything" and you still don't support your claim with links. Feels like i'm being trolled. ETA: this isn't about "feeling full" or "bulk" this is about how the body processes food, and extracts energy using bacteria, who feed on fiber in our diet. google "fiber gut bacteria" for what I'm talking about
    - tharkun__ 5y ago
      I've never trolled anyone in my life and you're the first person to accuse me of that. Feel free to peruse my comment history. I replied by trying to clarify what I meant as we seem to have had a different understanding on what I was even trying to say. I guess we really are not compatible in having a discussion given the immediate accusatory tone and downvoting instead of trying to figure out together where the misunderstandings were and discussing.

joshuahaglund 5y ago

You basically said "fiber needs are different, google it" so I did, and I don't see anything supporting that statement. You bring up ketosis but I though we're talking about more or less "normal" diets that consume carbs. I think keto is (in most instances) a dangerous fad diet, but feel free to experiment. Tho I have at various times cut sugar and processed carbohydrates (only eating whole grains) out of my diet and everything was sweeter. Fasting and keto are not the same thing.

tharkun__ 5y ago
Looks like we have a different understanding of my words. I never said that fiber needs are different. I said that fiber works for some people but not for others. I should have specified better. What I meant is that apparently while many if not most people feel satiated from eating fiber, others don't. I.e. it does not help them feel full. You still want to eat a good amount of fiber for other reasons, such as having enough "bulk". I never said keto and fasting were the same. I drew a link between some of the benefits that I saw from going keto and some of the benefits of fasting. I am interested though to hear more about why you say it is a dangerous fad diet. I think you're definitely are onto something, if I interpret correctly but I don't want to mis-interpret. I say that because I see a lot of "keto bomb", "keto bar", keto this and keto that pre-packaged food popping up in the grocery stores. I wouldn't trust any of that either. There's also a lot of fluffy and shiny info out there on the internet about it. As with any topic really, one has to be careful while doing research, especially if someone wants to sell you something.
- joshuahaglund 5y ago
  Ok but I'm just not gonna continue the discussion if you make claims, tell me to google, I come back and say "didn't find anything" and you still don't support your claim with links. Feels like i'm being trolled. ETA: this isn't about "feeling full" or "bulk" this is about how the body processes food, and extracts energy using bacteria, who feed on fiber in our diet. google "fiber gut bacteria" for what I'm talking about
  - tharkun__ 5y ago
    I've never trolled anyone in my life and you're the first person to accuse me of that. Feel free to peruse my comment history. I replied by trying to clarify what I meant as we seem to have had a different understanding on what I was even trying to say. I guess we really are not compatible in having a discussion given the immediate accusatory tone and downvoting instead of trying to figure out together where the misunderstandings were and discussing.