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That doesn’t make sense.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
I agree, but the mRNA vaccines factually aren't long lasting. Get your booster if you haven't yet, its important since the protection is about half in under half a year. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
- LurkingPenguin 5y ago
  > I agree, but the mRNA vaccines factually aren't long lasting. Get your booster if you haven't yet, its important since the protection is about half in under half a year. This is misinformation. From your link: > Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admissions for infections with the delta variant for all ages was high overall (93% [95% CI 84–96]) up to 6 months. A post regarding a possible "issue" with the vaccines is a strange place to engage in "get your booster!" fearmongering by highlighting VE against infection as compared to the far more important endpoints of hospitalization and death.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    "Up to" 6 months isn't long lasting, thats salesmen speak, and the average again was 53% after 4 months. >vaccine effectiveness against infections of the delta variant was high during the first month after full vaccination (93% [95% CI 85–97]) but declined to 53% [39–65] after 4 months. >Reduction in vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infections over time is probably primarily due to waning immunity with time rather than the delta variant escaping vaccine protection. Its why its important to get a booster shot. Most people who didn't get vaccinated also don't go to the hospital or die, so its not like that information is significant when the control isn't a black and white difference. People don't want to get infected in the first place so they don't get long covid.
    - LurkingPenguin 5y ago
      I pointed out that the VE against hospitalization remains high (>90%) at 6 months and you continue to highlight VE against infection. These are not the same endpoints. > People don't want to get infected so they don't get long covid. Notwithstanding the fact there's some evidence the vaccines don't protect as well against long COVID as previously suggested[1], if this is the case and large numbers of people are eager to boost every 4-6 months out of fear they might get long COVID if they don't, you don't need to remind everyone to "get your booster!" We should be able to have discussions about the virus and vaccines without gratuitous PSAs. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.26.21265508v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.26.21265508v...
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        Sure, feel free to post the hospitalization rates of delta positive non vaccinated people. What is their delta hospital admissions in comparison? Lets compare those rates. Many people who got covid didn't go to the hospital, didn't die and were asymptomatic, so that statistic you posted is mostly noise. Most people who take the vaccine don't want to get covid at all.
coldacid 5y ago
How so? No matter how you get the spike proteins in you (virus, mRNA vaccine, or traditional vax using the spike protein as target) the preferential targeting of the virus for immune system cells, combined with the properties being exhibited by the spike protein, means that the immune system isn't able to properly develop the immunity you should be getting from infection or from vaccination. If a different target from the virus was chosen, perhaps it'd be a different story, but going for the spike protein without having a fuller understanding of what it does in our cells has made the vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 questionable given the findings in this paper.

I agree, but the mRNA vaccines factually aren't long lasting. Get your booster if you haven't yet, its important since the protection is about half in under half a year. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02183-8/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

LurkingPenguin 5y ago
> I agree, but the mRNA vaccines factually aren't long lasting. Get your booster if you haven't yet, its important since the protection is about half in under half a year. This is misinformation. From your link: > Vaccine effectiveness against hospital admissions for infections with the delta variant for all ages was high overall (93% [95% CI 84–96]) up to 6 months. A post regarding a possible "issue" with the vaccines is a strange place to engage in "get your booster!" fearmongering by highlighting VE against infection as compared to the far more important endpoints of hospitalization and death.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  "Up to" 6 months isn't long lasting, thats salesmen speak, and the average again was 53% after 4 months. >vaccine effectiveness against infections of the delta variant was high during the first month after full vaccination (93% [95% CI 85–97]) but declined to 53% [39–65] after 4 months. >Reduction in vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infections over time is probably primarily due to waning immunity with time rather than the delta variant escaping vaccine protection. Its why its important to get a booster shot. Most people who didn't get vaccinated also don't go to the hospital or die, so its not like that information is significant when the control isn't a black and white difference. People don't want to get infected in the first place so they don't get long covid.
  - LurkingPenguin 5y ago
    I pointed out that the VE against hospitalization remains high (>90%) at 6 months and you continue to highlight VE against infection. These are not the same endpoints. > People don't want to get infected so they don't get long covid. Notwithstanding the fact there's some evidence the vaccines don't protect as well against long COVID as previously suggested[1], if this is the case and large numbers of people are eager to boost every 4-6 months out of fear they might get long COVID if they don't, you don't need to remind everyone to "get your booster!" We should be able to have discussions about the virus and vaccines without gratuitous PSAs. [1] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.26.21265508v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.26.21265508v...
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Sure, feel free to post the hospitalization rates of delta positive non vaccinated people. What is their delta hospital admissions in comparison? Lets compare those rates. Many people who got covid didn't go to the hospital, didn't die and were asymptomatic, so that statistic you posted is mostly noise. Most people who take the vaccine don't want to get covid at all.

coldacid 5y ago

How so? No matter how you get the spike proteins in you (virus, mRNA vaccine, or traditional vax using the spike protein as target) the preferential targeting of the virus for immune system cells, combined with the properties being exhibited by the spike protein, means that the immune system isn't able to properly develop the immunity you should be getting from infection or from vaccination. If a different target from the virus was chosen, perhaps it'd be a different story, but going for the spike protein without having a fuller understanding of what it does in our cells has made the vaccines for SARS-CoV-2 questionable given the findings in this paper.