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Argentina blocks more than 1,000,000 blogger blogs.

65 points by brackin 15y ago

seppo0010 15y ago
As an argentinian... fuck this. seppo$ ping 216.239.32.2 PING 216.239.32.2 (216.239.32.2): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 216.239.32.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=56 time=163.108 ms ^C --- 216.239.32.2 ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 163.108/163.108/163.108/0.000 ms seppo$ curl 216.239.32.2 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host seppo$ curl https://216.239.32.2 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host
- andreyf 15y ago
  Per rubyrescue's comment, you should be trying 216.239.32.21
rubyrescue 15y ago
I'm in Buenos Aires, Argentina and HTTP requests to that IP don't work either with or without my US proxy, so i'm not sure if that IP is correct. According to reddit the point was to block www.leakymails.com which is at 216.239.32.21. Let's try that: $ host www.leakymails.com www.leakymails.com has address 216.239.32.21 NO proxy, open chrome to IP - can't connect with US proxy, open chrome to IP - google 404 page (normal - presumably because of no host header) NO proxy, chrome to http://www.leakymails.com http://www.leakymails.com - can't connect with US proxy, chrome to http://www.leakymails.com http://www.leakymails.com - works So probably the google article left the 1 off of the last digit; .21
bigwally 15y ago
Maybe Argentina should do what China does and block anything that resolves to ghs.google.com By blocking ghs.google.com the blocking country won't be subject to any write ups on an official google blog.
kodisha 15y ago
Does anyone knows the reason why they blocked blogger in the first place?
- RyanKearney 15y ago
  There were 2 blogs they wanted to block specifically. They blocked those blogs IP addresses without understanding how the internet works.
  - Aqwis 15y ago
    What were the topics of those two blogs?
    - wslh 15y ago
      Government corruption, etc: http://twitter.com/#!/leakymails http://twitter.com/#!/leakymails , http://www.facebook.com/leakymails http://www.facebook.com/leakymails
    - demian 15y ago
      Leakymails.com posted e-mails from goverment officials (the idiots used services like hotmail for work-related communications).
      - mrleinad 15y ago
        Search for "cuidad.com.ar" + leakymails on google Leakymails is just an operation to make it look like they have genuine e-mails, but they're fake. The government jumped the gun when blocking those sites, but that's another issue..
- Joakal 15y ago
  There was an account with blogger [0]. So they blocked the ip address of that domain which was shared with many others as you can see in this article. [0] http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgoogleamericalatinablog.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F08%2Fblogs-bloqueados-en-argentina.html http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&h...
wging 15y ago
Maybe this is too off-topic for HN, but... that's a surprisingly readable translation!
- yariang 15y ago
  I noticed that too. Spanish is my native language and, unless Google wrote that translation themselves, the machine translation from Spanish to English is spot on!
- kristofferR 15y ago
  Holy shit. I didn't actually notice that it was translated until you pointed it out.
- will_ 15y ago
  I was very, very impressed by the translation - kudos goes to the Google translate engineers. If this high quality of translation can be achieved consistently, it marks a pretty significant step in human progress.
  - brackin 15y ago
    It's pretty incredible how far Google Translate has come.
- naner 15y ago
  Google translate accepts contributed manual translations of any particular text. (Try double clicking some words on the page.) We have no way of knowing how much of that was done purely by software and how much was touched-up by human contributions. Not to take anything away from Google, but I suspect software-only translation isn't quite as good as this seems yet.
watchandwait 15y ago
Argentine president Cristina Kirchner is an authoritarian thug with a long record of abusing private property rights, and now, free speech.
- wslh 15y ago
  Yes and ironically she got more than 50% of the votes in last week preliminary election. The mysteries of democracy.
  - anamax 15y ago
    We know nothing about the alternatives. And then there's why such folk are often elected even when more freedom is on the ballot. "Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort." Heinlein.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?" "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course." "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?" "Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in"
- marianoguerra 15y ago
  so we can say that obama is an authoritarian thug too? visit this and tell me what you see: http://rojadirecta.com/ http://rojadirecta.com/ please don't overgeneralize, this was a court ruling (which I'm against) but don't use it as an excuse to make Argentina look like a dictatorship. since you say she has a "long record of abusing private property rights, and now, free speech." I would like to know some cases so people outside Argentina know (an for that matter me too) PS: before you attack me with the easy label of being a peronist, let me tell you that I'm not.
pp2moonbird 15y ago
not bad, more websites are blocked in china
wslh 15y ago
More on: Argentine ISPs Use Bazooka to Kill Fly https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-overblocking https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-over...
marianoguerra 15y ago
the title is misleading, read eff Argentine ISPs Use Bazooka to Kill Fly https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-overblocking https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-over... the judge ruled to block two sites, ISPs blocked by IP
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  The effect is the same, and the intention is just as reprehensible.
  - marianoguerra 15y ago
    sure, I'm against censorship of any kind, I answered to prove that the title was misleading and that trying to tie the country or government for an ISP mistake was wrong. sorry if I was misunderstood, it's just I don't like over generalizations and sensationalist titles, I made an analogy to prove the point and it was misinterpreted. if you check my account you will see that I almost never comment here, just for some specific project and just technology related, I think I will keep it like that from now on.
  - demian 15y ago
    No it isn't. The intention to kill 1 person is not as reprehensible as the intention to kill 1 million.
    - burgerbrain 15y ago
      Either way, you are a murderer.
mrleinad 15y ago
I'm tired of HN being so biased when voting on political issues.. If you don't agree, speak up. Downvoting someone is the last resort of those who have no valid argument at all. Downvoting is good when someone speaks nonsense, or there's something off-topic, or just plain (and provable) wrong. But not when someone's giving their opinions on something.
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65 points by brackin 15y ago

As an argentinian... fuck this. seppo$ ping 216.239.32.2 PING 216.239.32.2 (216.239.32.2): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 216.239.32.2: icmp_seq=0 ttl=56 time=163.108 ms ^C --- 216.239.32.2 ping statistics --- 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 163.108/163.108/163.108/0.000 ms seppo$ curl 216.239.32.2 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host seppo$ curl https://216.239.32.2 curl: (7) couldn't connect to host

andreyf 15y ago
Per rubyrescue's comment, you should be trying 216.239.32.21

rubyrescue 15y ago

I'm in Buenos Aires, Argentina and HTTP requests to that IP don't work either with or without my US proxy, so i'm not sure if that IP is correct. According to reddit the point was to block www.leakymails.com which is at 216.239.32.21. Let's try that: $ host www.leakymails.com www.leakymails.com has address 216.239.32.21 NO proxy, open chrome to IP - can't connect with US proxy, open chrome to IP - google 404 page (normal - presumably because of no host header) NO proxy, chrome to http://www.leakymails.com http://www.leakymails.com - can't connect with US proxy, chrome to http://www.leakymails.com http://www.leakymails.com - works So probably the google article left the 1 off of the last digit; .21

bigwally 15y ago

Maybe Argentina should do what China does and block anything that resolves to ghs.google.com By blocking ghs.google.com the blocking country won't be subject to any write ups on an official google blog.

kodisha 15y ago

Does anyone knows the reason why they blocked blogger in the first place?

RyanKearney 15y ago
There were 2 blogs they wanted to block specifically. They blocked those blogs IP addresses without understanding how the internet works.
- Aqwis 15y ago
  What were the topics of those two blogs?
  - wslh 15y ago
    Government corruption, etc: http://twitter.com/#!/leakymails http://twitter.com/#!/leakymails , http://www.facebook.com/leakymails http://www.facebook.com/leakymails
  - demian 15y ago
    Leakymails.com posted e-mails from goverment officials (the idiots used services like hotmail for work-related communications).
    - mrleinad 15y ago
      Search for "cuidad.com.ar" + leakymails on google Leakymails is just an operation to make it look like they have genuine e-mails, but they're fake. The government jumped the gun when blocking those sites, but that's another issue..
Joakal 15y ago
There was an account with blogger [0]. So they blocked the ip address of that domain which was shared with many others as you can see in this article. [0] http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fgoogleamericalatinablog.blogspot.com%2F2011%2F08%2Fblogs-bloqueados-en-argentina.html http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&h...

wging 15y ago

Maybe this is too off-topic for HN, but... that's a surprisingly readable translation!

yariang 15y ago
I noticed that too. Spanish is my native language and, unless Google wrote that translation themselves, the machine translation from Spanish to English is spot on!
kristofferR 15y ago
Holy shit. I didn't actually notice that it was translated until you pointed it out.
will_ 15y ago
I was very, very impressed by the translation - kudos goes to the Google translate engineers. If this high quality of translation can be achieved consistently, it marks a pretty significant step in human progress.
- brackin 15y ago
  It's pretty incredible how far Google Translate has come.
naner 15y ago
Google translate accepts contributed manual translations of any particular text. (Try double clicking some words on the page.) We have no way of knowing how much of that was done purely by software and how much was touched-up by human contributions. Not to take anything away from Google, but I suspect software-only translation isn't quite as good as this seems yet.

watchandwait 15y ago

Argentine president Cristina Kirchner is an authoritarian thug with a long record of abusing private property rights, and now, free speech.

wslh 15y ago
Yes and ironically she got more than 50% of the votes in last week preliminary election. The mysteries of democracy.
- anamax 15y ago
  We know nothing about the alternatives. And then there's why such folk are often elected even when more freedom is on the ballot. "Political tags - such as royalist, communist, democrat, populist, fascist, liberal, conservative, and so forth - are never basic criteria. The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort." Heinlein.
- burgerbrain 15y ago
  "You mean they actually vote for the lizards?" "Oh yes," said Ford with a shrug, "of course." "But," said Arthur, going for the big one again, "why?" "Because if they didn’t vote for a lizard," said Ford, "the wrong lizard might get in"
marianoguerra 15y ago
so we can say that obama is an authoritarian thug too? visit this and tell me what you see: http://rojadirecta.com/ http://rojadirecta.com/ please don't overgeneralize, this was a court ruling (which I'm against) but don't use it as an excuse to make Argentina look like a dictatorship. since you say she has a "long record of abusing private property rights, and now, free speech." I would like to know some cases so people outside Argentina know (an for that matter me too) PS: before you attack me with the easy label of being a peronist, let me tell you that I'm not.

pp2moonbird 15y ago

not bad, more websites are blocked in china

wslh 15y ago

More on: Argentine ISPs Use Bazooka to Kill Fly https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-overblocking https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-over...

marianoguerra 15y ago

the title is misleading, read eff Argentine ISPs Use Bazooka to Kill Fly https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-overblocking https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/08/argentina-isps-ip-over... the judge ruled to block two sites, ISPs blocked by IP

burgerbrain 15y ago
The effect is the same, and the intention is just as reprehensible.
- marianoguerra 15y ago
  sure, I'm against censorship of any kind, I answered to prove that the title was misleading and that trying to tie the country or government for an ISP mistake was wrong. sorry if I was misunderstood, it's just I don't like over generalizations and sensationalist titles, I made an analogy to prove the point and it was misinterpreted. if you check my account you will see that I almost never comment here, just for some specific project and just technology related, I think I will keep it like that from now on.
- demian 15y ago
  No it isn't. The intention to kill 1 person is not as reprehensible as the intention to kill 1 million.
  - burgerbrain 15y ago
    Either way, you are a murderer.

mrleinad 15y ago

I'm tired of HN being so biased when voting on political issues.. If you don't agree, speak up. Downvoting someone is the last resort of those who have no valid argument at all. Downvoting is good when someone speaks nonsense, or there's something off-topic, or just plain (and provable) wrong. But not when someone's giving their opinions on something.

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