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I think everyone has the urge to push their views onto other people once they get a platform. It is something instinctual deep within us. We tell ourselves th

I think everyone has the urge to push their views onto other people once they get a platform. It is something instinctual deep within us. We tell ourselves that it is because we are so much smarter than everyone else, and we are the bearers of the one true truth, but really it is just our animal Will To Power at work. Thousands of years of evolution and the need to dominate other groups is really what is driving us to do this. Anyway, my point is that "Push" is the natural state of being. One has to work very hard to do otherwise. Someone who doesn't push, or who comes close to this, stands out above the crowd. I can think of very few hosts who do this. Joe Rogan goes out of his way to do this - to get all sorts of guests on with all sorts of perspectives - then he just shuts up and listens and asks questions. Yes he has started pushing his opinions a little, but he is better than most everyone else that I can think of.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago
> to get all sorts of guests on with all sorts of perspectives - then he just shuts up and listens and asks questions Hard disagree. That may have been the case when he started the podcast but it's famously not the case now. Even the Joe Rogan fans are upset about Rogan talking over experts and forcing his own biased opinions over the evidence: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/pg3edl/im_not_gonna_lie_im_a_little_disappointed_in_joe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/pg3edl/im_not_gon... For a more recent example, apparently he mistook an obviously satirical video as actual government media and criticized the Australian government for it, before somebody pointed out that it's [obviously] a satire video: https://www.instagram.com/p/CVvyYXzgrD2/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CVvyYXzgrD2/ This stuff isn't "just asking questions". Viewpoints are being heavily pushed, but Rogan does a good job of pretending he's "just asking questions".
- mrjangles 5y ago
  Oh ok I take it back then. I haven't watched him in a while. Sad to hear he has changed and given in to the urge to push.
- yesenadam 5y ago
  From that instagram page, apparently Rogan's words: > Not only has Australia had the worst reaction to the pandemic with dystopian, police-state measures that are truly inconceivable to the rest of the civilized world Ohh - is he where that insane-seeming take comes from, that I've read more than a few times in HN comments over the last few months?! They sure are projecting something, apart from intense anger/rage. I couldn't begin to understand it until I read that. Or where did he get it? (Sydney here.)
  - user743 5y ago
    So what's the truth on the ground then on government control rn?
    - yesenadam 5y ago
      I don't really understand what you are asking exactly. It sounds like a question someone would ask about a war zone. The whole thing seems totally imagined to me, maybe fed by denial about the quality of the US response to covid. Trying to guess what that apparent US hysteria about Australia is based on — maybe it's because we had longer lockdowns/restrictions than most places, I think because there was hardly any covid cases here until the last few months (although Melbourne had an outburst a while ago), so not many people bothered about getting vaccinated. In the last few months a lot of people have gotten vaccinated, the large majority of Australians I think, so restrictions are being phased out. Personally, I've not heard anyone here objecting to the restrictions/lockdowns, but rather to what seem unfair exceptions or people acting irresponsibly, like live music venues being closed while some large sporting events are allowed, or people gathering in large parties when they know it's a bad idea. I don't think there's much of a story, and overseas stories presenting the situation/covid response in Australia as outrageous! unbelievable! inconceivable! etc seem totally detached from reality. (The most outrageous true Australian story I've heard this year was that Australia is soon going to get nuclear-powered submarines because the US wants us to, I guess because of their current posturing against China, although for 50 years we've had a strong policy of not having nuclear-powered ships, or nuclear-powered anything. Everyone I mentioned it to thought it was totally outrageous too. I guess not many people in the US are worked up about that.) edit: I looked up some figures. In June, 2% of Australians were fully vaccinated, now 64%, and at least one dose 75%, and increasing fast. 20% of Australians became fully vaccinated in the last month alone. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=AUS https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=AUS
- hellotomyrars 5y ago
  That is the insidious and sad part. I always thought Joe Rohan was kind of a dick and was not personally interested in the type of content he produced, but that’s okay. I got why people did, it just wasn’t for me. But the bait-and-switch of things into him now just kind of fully descending into normalizing misinformation and crazy stuff is what helps others buy into it and pushes the discourse even more toxic. This sad crash-dive into insanity that we’re on is the equivalent of a snowball starting an avalanche. It started a lot further up the mountain, and a lot smaller, but people keep getting swept up in it and it’s hard to know where the bottom is going to be since we’re still in the middle of it.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  I like Rhonda Patrick too bad. I didn't watch that episode. He's human and not infallable, but like the redditors you may have an opinion already, and just want to be agreed with, OP in the thread and Joe already formed their opinions and wouldn't change it. No strong force is making you agree that the moon landings were fake or aliens made the pyramids, but you are free to believe so if you want.

PragmaticPulp 5y ago

> to get all sorts of guests on with all sorts of perspectives - then he just shuts up and listens and asks questions Hard disagree. That may have been the case when he started the podcast but it's famously not the case now. Even the Joe Rogan fans are upset about Rogan talking over experts and forcing his own biased opinions over the evidence: https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/pg3edl/im_not_gonna_lie_im_a_little_disappointed_in_joe/ https://www.reddit.com/r/JoeRogan/comments/pg3edl/im_not_gon... For a more recent example, apparently he mistook an obviously satirical video as actual government media and criticized the Australian government for it, before somebody pointed out that it's [obviously] a satire video: https://www.instagram.com/p/CVvyYXzgrD2/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CVvyYXzgrD2/ This stuff isn't "just asking questions". Viewpoints are being heavily pushed, but Rogan does a good job of pretending he's "just asking questions".

mrjangles 5y ago
Oh ok I take it back then. I haven't watched him in a while. Sad to hear he has changed and given in to the urge to push.
yesenadam 5y ago
From that instagram page, apparently Rogan's words: > Not only has Australia had the worst reaction to the pandemic with dystopian, police-state measures that are truly inconceivable to the rest of the civilized world Ohh - is he where that insane-seeming take comes from, that I've read more than a few times in HN comments over the last few months?! They sure are projecting something, apart from intense anger/rage. I couldn't begin to understand it until I read that. Or where did he get it? (Sydney here.)
- user743 5y ago
  So what's the truth on the ground then on government control rn?
  - yesenadam 5y ago
    I don't really understand what you are asking exactly. It sounds like a question someone would ask about a war zone. The whole thing seems totally imagined to me, maybe fed by denial about the quality of the US response to covid. Trying to guess what that apparent US hysteria about Australia is based on — maybe it's because we had longer lockdowns/restrictions than most places, I think because there was hardly any covid cases here until the last few months (although Melbourne had an outburst a while ago), so not many people bothered about getting vaccinated. In the last few months a lot of people have gotten vaccinated, the large majority of Australians I think, so restrictions are being phased out. Personally, I've not heard anyone here objecting to the restrictions/lockdowns, but rather to what seem unfair exceptions or people acting irresponsibly, like live music venues being closed while some large sporting events are allowed, or people gathering in large parties when they know it's a bad idea. I don't think there's much of a story, and overseas stories presenting the situation/covid response in Australia as outrageous! unbelievable! inconceivable! etc seem totally detached from reality. (The most outrageous true Australian story I've heard this year was that Australia is soon going to get nuclear-powered submarines because the US wants us to, I guess because of their current posturing against China, although for 50 years we've had a strong policy of not having nuclear-powered ships, or nuclear-powered anything. Everyone I mentioned it to thought it was totally outrageous too. I guess not many people in the US are worked up about that.) edit: I looked up some figures. In June, 2% of Australians were fully vaccinated, now 64%, and at least one dose 75%, and increasing fast. 20% of Australians became fully vaccinated in the last month alone. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=AUS https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=AUS
hellotomyrars 5y ago
That is the insidious and sad part. I always thought Joe Rohan was kind of a dick and was not personally interested in the type of content he produced, but that’s okay. I got why people did, it just wasn’t for me. But the bait-and-switch of things into him now just kind of fully descending into normalizing misinformation and crazy stuff is what helps others buy into it and pushes the discourse even more toxic. This sad crash-dive into insanity that we’re on is the equivalent of a snowball starting an avalanche. It started a lot further up the mountain, and a lot smaller, but people keep getting swept up in it and it’s hard to know where the bottom is going to be since we’re still in the middle of it.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
I like Rhonda Patrick too bad. I didn't watch that episode. He's human and not infallable, but like the redditors you may have an opinion already, and just want to be agreed with, OP in the thread and Joe already formed their opinions and wouldn't change it. No strong force is making you agree that the moon landings were fake or aliens made the pyramids, but you are free to believe so if you want.