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Part of Rogan's schtick is conspiracy theories. There's a lot of "just asking questions" style conversations where he tries to build up this idea that the "offi

Part of Rogan's schtick is conspiracy theories. There's a lot of "just asking questions" style conversations where he tries to build up this idea that the "officially approved" narrative has a lot of holes, which he often uses to insert an alternate opinion that isn't subject to the same scrutiny. His anti-vaccine content is a perfect example: He invites actual experts on his show, but then interrupts them and brings up an anecdote about a "guy I know" who had some vague symptoms after getting the vaccine. The listener is then supposed to believe that the pro-vaccine expert is uninformed and simply parroting the official narrative, whereas Joe Rogan is the smart one who sees the big picture and can "tell it like it is". In this case, Joe Rogan sees that Vitamin D and a healthy diet is all the protection you need from COVID and that the vaccine should be avoided. But it's often nonsense. Rogan's vaccine opinions are not just unvetted, they're built from the ground up on a foundation of flimsy anecdotes and conspiracy theories with a complete disregard for the science. He plays the "both sides" card to build up the anecdotes and conspiracy theories while tearing down the well-researched science in order to create an illusion of presenting both sides fairly. But to get there, he has to go out of his way to downplay the most robust information while exaggerating the least trustworthy. It's not about having different opinions. It's about misrepresenting the robustness of each.

refurb 5y ago
It’s an entertainment podcast not an FDA Advisory committee or scientific panel. I can tune into CNN or FoxNews and hear unvetted stories as well, so why is Rogan singled out? If someone is tuning into the podcast to get medical advice then they have bigger problems than listening to Joe Rogan.
sjwalter 5y ago
Considering the quality of the information and presentation in the corporate press is so terrible, in comparison Rogan does a stellar job. I disagree with your characterization, too. He has on people from all angles, including e.g, Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN, and he gives them a fair shake. And yes, considering how "rare" vaccine adverse reactions are supposed to be, knowing multiple people who've experienced significant adverse reactions is quite unusual. Worth talking about even.
- edgyquant 5y ago
  He has people from all angles, but most of them are right wingers. He brings on a Liberal every now and then and if they don’t hate the Democratic Party he hardly lets them talk and uses the typical right wing gish gallop tactic to pretend he’s owned them at the end of the podcast. Rogan does a stellar job, lmao @ that. He does a stellar job pushing the current GOPs agenda. Because he’s able to have people like you arguing that isn’t what he’s doing.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    You don’t sound like you listen to him, your post indicates you don’t listen to him and are just repeating what an uninformed critic smears him with.
    - edgyquant 5y ago
      Bullshit I listened to Joe religiously until 2018, like every day he put out a podcast. I realized around that time that he was beating a strawman about “crazy” democrats while promoting a trove of right wingers and disinformation. He couldn’t go an episode without bringing up how some tumbler person thinks there’s (n+1) genders and when he did bring on a “democrat” it was someone like Abby Martin or Tulsi Gabbard who hates the Democratic Party. With this, combined with the cringe ass “intellectual dark web” bs, it became increasingly obvious that Joe Rogan wasn’t some moderate but instead that he was pretending to be one while pushing a right wing narrative to his viewers under the guise of “just asking questions” and “how do I know I disagree until I talked to them?” Your accusation is typical of Rogan fans who want to shutdown any criticism of his very obvious grifter status.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        Yet you state he's got a "GOP agenda"? I don't believe you at all. Hes already contracted by Spotify, what you're spewing is more generic anti-Joe smearing that shows me that you never listened to him.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
People don’t think statistically. He’s asking questions about covid and how anecdotes relate like normal people. You state he’s a conspiracy theorist but the result of him being cured of covid in a few days isn’t evidence enough for you that bis bro science isn’t wrong? You can argue theory all day but he lives the way he preaches, the reality of his actions isn’t enough?
- hellotomyrars 5y ago
  Too bad everyone else living the way they did who died of Covid didn’t live Joe Rogan’s reality and ended up a statistic instead. I don’t even know what you’re trying to get at here. He can’t be judged because he seems to be consistent in his actions? That doesn’t make them inherently valid.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    His recovery method give him credibility, unless you think most unvaccinated people recover in 3 days and nothing he did helped his recovery. Mainstream news say nothing he used including ivermectin works while anyone with a brain will look at the results of his recovery and say the mainstream news has no relevance, its like seeing 1+5=6 then some overpaid group of talking heads in makeup and dressed to present random factoids they don't care about or have any interest in are paid to say its not right, and they state the math is wrong. They are deluded if they think they have any credibility left vs real results. Why are the people denying it valid by that standard?
    - hellotomyrars 5y ago
      I'd like to believe that "anyone with a brain" won't take one anecdote as gospel and base everything on it and throw out all the other data. Even if Ivermectin is some Covid miracle treatment (It isn't), Joe Rogan's experience isn't typical or expected and it doesn't mean that pumping Vitamin D and Ivermectin will yield similar results for you or anyone else. Additionally, the Ivermectin narrative (I'll leave the question of if it has any benefit open for the sake of argument) is one that positions it as an alternative for vaccinations which is inherently dangerous. Also we have actual treatments (Remdesivir, Monoclonal antibodies) that have documented clinical results for active infections, we don't need to gamble on bullshit. To add one other thing, because I think we can get on the same page about this probably: Just because someone says something and they're in authority/credentialled doesn't mean you should believe them unconditionally. It is important to have a healthy skepticism of information, regardless of its source. But the outright rejection of any "authoritative" information and latching on to whatever counter-narrative (read: misinformation) that happens to be popular is just as naive and stupid, but it seems like that's where we're at these days.
edgyquant 5y ago
It’s not just vaccines or conspiracy theories, the dude has been walking the conservative line and spreading their rhetoric since at least 2015. He brings on “democrats” who hate the Democratic Party (e.g. Tulsi Gabbard, the Weinstein brothers) and pretends supporting UBI means he isn’t a conservative. All the while constantly bringing on right wing guests (the ratio of right wingers to people like Bernie Sanders I at least 4:1.) He has constantly pushed the idea that transgenderism is taking over and brought people like Jordan Peterson to argue against it. everything from making fun of the number of genders (something I only ever hear conservatives talk about) to the big bathroom discussion that was had in 2015. I don’t know if he’s paid by some right wing organization to push this narrative, I don’t necessarily think so, but I don’t like how he is painted as some centrist or moderate when he very clearly has an agenda and it lies to the right of center.
- nverno 5y ago
  I consider him to be centrist, but it's very subjective as there is no good definition of left/right that people generally agree on. To me, he's not a partisan, so he's a centrist- not that I particularly care one way or the other.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  So you think Dave Chapelle is the most conservative person in the world today?
- mixmastamyk 5y ago
  > He has constantly pushed the idea that transgenderism is taking over You have no idea, haha. I used to laugh when "right wingers" complained about LGQBT stuff being shoved down their throat. And it was funny, until things made a big change a few years back, and then we had a child attending a "liberal" school district.

refurb 5y ago

It’s an entertainment podcast not an FDA Advisory committee or scientific panel. I can tune into CNN or FoxNews and hear unvetted stories as well, so why is Rogan singled out? If someone is tuning into the podcast to get medical advice then they have bigger problems than listening to Joe Rogan.

sjwalter 5y ago

Considering the quality of the information and presentation in the corporate press is so terrible, in comparison Rogan does a stellar job. I disagree with your characterization, too. He has on people from all angles, including e.g, Dr. Sanjay Gupta from CNN, and he gives them a fair shake. And yes, considering how "rare" vaccine adverse reactions are supposed to be, knowing multiple people who've experienced significant adverse reactions is quite unusual. Worth talking about even.

edgyquant 5y ago
He has people from all angles, but most of them are right wingers. He brings on a Liberal every now and then and if they don’t hate the Democratic Party he hardly lets them talk and uses the typical right wing gish gallop tactic to pretend he’s owned them at the end of the podcast. Rogan does a stellar job, lmao @ that. He does a stellar job pushing the current GOPs agenda. Because he’s able to have people like you arguing that isn’t what he’s doing.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  You don’t sound like you listen to him, your post indicates you don’t listen to him and are just repeating what an uninformed critic smears him with.
  - edgyquant 5y ago
    Bullshit I listened to Joe religiously until 2018, like every day he put out a podcast. I realized around that time that he was beating a strawman about “crazy” democrats while promoting a trove of right wingers and disinformation. He couldn’t go an episode without bringing up how some tumbler person thinks there’s (n+1) genders and when he did bring on a “democrat” it was someone like Abby Martin or Tulsi Gabbard who hates the Democratic Party. With this, combined with the cringe ass “intellectual dark web” bs, it became increasingly obvious that Joe Rogan wasn’t some moderate but instead that he was pretending to be one while pushing a right wing narrative to his viewers under the guise of “just asking questions” and “how do I know I disagree until I talked to them?” Your accusation is typical of Rogan fans who want to shutdown any criticism of his very obvious grifter status.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Yet you state he's got a "GOP agenda"? I don't believe you at all. Hes already contracted by Spotify, what you're spewing is more generic anti-Joe smearing that shows me that you never listened to him.

GhettoComputers 5y ago

People don’t think statistically. He’s asking questions about covid and how anecdotes relate like normal people. You state he’s a conspiracy theorist but the result of him being cured of covid in a few days isn’t evidence enough for you that bis bro science isn’t wrong? You can argue theory all day but he lives the way he preaches, the reality of his actions isn’t enough?

hellotomyrars 5y ago
Too bad everyone else living the way they did who died of Covid didn’t live Joe Rogan’s reality and ended up a statistic instead. I don’t even know what you’re trying to get at here. He can’t be judged because he seems to be consistent in his actions? That doesn’t make them inherently valid.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  His recovery method give him credibility, unless you think most unvaccinated people recover in 3 days and nothing he did helped his recovery. Mainstream news say nothing he used including ivermectin works while anyone with a brain will look at the results of his recovery and say the mainstream news has no relevance, its like seeing 1+5=6 then some overpaid group of talking heads in makeup and dressed to present random factoids they don't care about or have any interest in are paid to say its not right, and they state the math is wrong. They are deluded if they think they have any credibility left vs real results. Why are the people denying it valid by that standard?
  - hellotomyrars 5y ago
    I'd like to believe that "anyone with a brain" won't take one anecdote as gospel and base everything on it and throw out all the other data. Even if Ivermectin is some Covid miracle treatment (It isn't), Joe Rogan's experience isn't typical or expected and it doesn't mean that pumping Vitamin D and Ivermectin will yield similar results for you or anyone else. Additionally, the Ivermectin narrative (I'll leave the question of if it has any benefit open for the sake of argument) is one that positions it as an alternative for vaccinations which is inherently dangerous. Also we have actual treatments (Remdesivir, Monoclonal antibodies) that have documented clinical results for active infections, we don't need to gamble on bullshit. To add one other thing, because I think we can get on the same page about this probably: Just because someone says something and they're in authority/credentialled doesn't mean you should believe them unconditionally. It is important to have a healthy skepticism of information, regardless of its source. But the outright rejection of any "authoritative" information and latching on to whatever counter-narrative (read: misinformation) that happens to be popular is just as naive and stupid, but it seems like that's where we're at these days.

edgyquant 5y ago

It’s not just vaccines or conspiracy theories, the dude has been walking the conservative line and spreading their rhetoric since at least 2015. He brings on “democrats” who hate the Democratic Party (e.g. Tulsi Gabbard, the Weinstein brothers) and pretends supporting UBI means he isn’t a conservative. All the while constantly bringing on right wing guests (the ratio of right wingers to people like Bernie Sanders I at least 4:1.) He has constantly pushed the idea that transgenderism is taking over and brought people like Jordan Peterson to argue against it. everything from making fun of the number of genders (something I only ever hear conservatives talk about) to the big bathroom discussion that was had in 2015. I don’t know if he’s paid by some right wing organization to push this narrative, I don’t necessarily think so, but I don’t like how he is painted as some centrist or moderate when he very clearly has an agenda and it lies to the right of center.

nverno 5y ago
I consider him to be centrist, but it's very subjective as there is no good definition of left/right that people generally agree on. To me, he's not a partisan, so he's a centrist- not that I particularly care one way or the other.
GhettoComputers 5y ago
So you think Dave Chapelle is the most conservative person in the world today?
mixmastamyk 5y ago
> He has constantly pushed the idea that transgenderism is taking over You have no idea, haha. I used to laugh when "right wingers" complained about LGQBT stuff being shoved down their throat. And it was funny, until things made a big change a few years back, and then we had a child attending a "liberal" school district.