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I guess just consider it this way: A group broke away, for whatever reasons beyond your understanding and because they broke away and don’t seem to still agree

I guess just consider it this way: A group broke away, for whatever reasons beyond your understanding and because they broke away and don’t seem to still agree or seem to enjoy being a subset Debian, they continue to exist. Some people find value in this.

md8z 5y ago
Yeah I get that but that's just restating the question. If you just want to look at it from that perspective then they would have found some other reason to break away and find value and there is nothing upstream could have done about it, so complaining about them seems pointless. I'm not saying there's anything morally wrong with it, clearly they can do whatever they like with the open source code that they find on the net. But if it can't be explained simply and easily, maybe it seems there is some value elsewhere that was missed or misunderstood.
- yepthatsreality 5y ago
  > That's why every BSD has a "ports" tree... To answer this question. This is about base compatibility so ports don’t apply. The ports collection has to be installed separately, hence incompatibility.
  - md8z 5y ago
    I don't understand what you mean base compatibility, a port doesn't happen until some interested party does it. It doesn't actually matter if it's in the ports tree or not, that's just a convenient place for BSD people to put things. Truly "portable" software is a myth, either you are using some abstraction layer that somebody else built, or you put in the work to do a port.
    - yepthatsreality 5y ago
      Base compatibility about what’s included in the system when you install it. Since Unix systems have a Unix philosophy they will not use systemd. Ports aren’t included in the base system, there for systemd would not be compatible with a base system that doesn’t include it.
      - md8z 5y ago
        I don't understand what this has to do with the "unix philosophy" or what that is supposed to mean, and the base systems between Devuan and BSD are not compatible anyway. I mentioned that earlier, BSD doesn't use sysvinit...
        yepthatsreality 5y ago
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        md8z 5y ago
        That's a pretty disappointing response, I was hoping to be able to learn something about this today.

md8z 5y ago

Yeah I get that but that's just restating the question. If you just want to look at it from that perspective then they would have found some other reason to break away and find value and there is nothing upstream could have done about it, so complaining about them seems pointless. I'm not saying there's anything morally wrong with it, clearly they can do whatever they like with the open source code that they find on the net. But if it can't be explained simply and easily, maybe it seems there is some value elsewhere that was missed or misunderstood.

yepthatsreality 5y ago
> That's why every BSD has a "ports" tree... To answer this question. This is about base compatibility so ports don’t apply. The ports collection has to be installed separately, hence incompatibility.
- md8z 5y ago
  I don't understand what you mean base compatibility, a port doesn't happen until some interested party does it. It doesn't actually matter if it's in the ports tree or not, that's just a convenient place for BSD people to put things. Truly "portable" software is a myth, either you are using some abstraction layer that somebody else built, or you put in the work to do a port.
  - yepthatsreality 5y ago
    Base compatibility about what’s included in the system when you install it. Since Unix systems have a Unix philosophy they will not use systemd. Ports aren’t included in the base system, there for systemd would not be compatible with a base system that doesn’t include it.
    - md8z 5y ago
      I don't understand what this has to do with the "unix philosophy" or what that is supposed to mean, and the base systems between Devuan and BSD are not compatible anyway. I mentioned that earlier, BSD doesn't use sysvinit...
      - yepthatsreality 5y ago
        503 Service Unavailable
        md8z 5y ago
        That's a pretty disappointing response, I was hoping to be able to learn something about this today.