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> Meanwhile school funding remains directly tied to standardized test scores, creating virtuous/vicious cycles of classism in virtually every city across the co

> Meanwhile school funding remains directly tied to standardized test scores, creating virtuous/vicious cycles of classism in virtually every city across the country. Unequal school funding is a common talking point, but, on average, the spending per White/Black/Hispanic/Asian pupil is nearly identical. Black pupils receive 105% as much funding as White, or 101% if adjusted to cost of living in the school district [1]. For those wondering how this is possible, when school funding is tied to property taxes in the district: It's because roughly half of school funding comes from state budgets, and is allocated based on necessity, so school that receive less district funding, get more state funding. [1] https://www.heritage.org/education/report/the-myth-racial-disparities-public-school-funding https://www.heritage.org/education/report/the-myth-racial-di...

teawrecks 5y ago
That article and entire website are the epitome of, "the powers that be used arguments like 'parental choice' to stymie progress, and we ended up in a good-enough middle ground where the privileged class could pretend something was done, and racism was over." I'm not going to convince you of anything, I know, but you're not going to convince anyone with decade old articles from a conservative think tank propaganda site.
- chuckee 5y ago
  I'm confused - are you disputing their findings? They use official Dept. of Education data. And a 2019 peer-reviewed paper gives broadly similar numbers [1]: on average, both Black and Latinx total per pupil expenditures exceed White total per pupil expenditures by $229.53 and $126.15, respectively. This is anticipated due to the strong relationship between race and poverty (Reardon & Owens, 2014) and the increased federal funding targeted toward stu- dents in districts with concentrated poverty (Cascio & Reber, 2013). - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2332858419872445 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/23328584198724... Why would this not be convincing on the narrow question of average education spending per pupil?
  - teawrecks 5y ago
    Thanks for the more reputable source. TIL. I'll admit I didn't know about the per-pupil expenditure stats, and probably was just regurgitating something I had heard. This gives me something to research into. Still, I find this to be a superfluous detail in relation to the point I was making. The fact remains that, > "The authors find that when Black students are increasingly concentrated in separate school districts from White students in the same state, total revenue shifts in a way that disfavors the typical Black student’s district, even after controlling for racial differences in poverty." which is the point I was referencing. No one needs statistics to be convinced that social status coincides very closely with race in the US. So either 1) there are a series of systemic issues at play responsible for the pattern, or 2) there is something inherent about certain races which determines their social status relative to other races. Given that 2 is the definition of racial bias and racism, 1 must be where we find ourselves.
    - angelzen 5y ago
      > social status coincides very closely with race in the US So I'm curious about this statement. As I wrote elsewhere in this thread, twice as many whites than blacks are in poverty. If social status were almost substitutable for race, how come there are 17M white people in poverty? https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-ra... Edit. For reference, a nice databook from Pew Research, with income distributions by race in 1970 and 2016, though lacking absolute numbers presentation: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/07/12/appendix-a-income-distributions-of-whites-blacks-hispanics-and-asians-in-the-u-s-1970-and-2016/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/07/12/appendi...
patentatt 5y ago
Then why is it that the public schools in affluent and largely white suburbs are so very different from those in more urban and/or diverse neighborhoods? I’m talking facilities, test scores, programs, I mean you name it there’s a big difference. Could it be that property taxes provide a more stable funding source from year to year compared to state funding?
- sul_tasto 5y ago
  My guess would be that poorer schools spend their funding on meals for students and other basic necessities, whereas richer districts can allocate their funding to better programming and facilities, etc. Test scores are however more a result of parenting: attention to kids’ needs, stability in the home, etc. Kids in poorer schools face a lot of challenges outside the classroom that affect their ability to learn.
paulryanrogers 5y ago
My SO taught in some inner city schools while we both had attended suburban schools. The issue is complex, though parental circumstances and starting points vary widely. When a relatively young school system is filled with kids whose parents have time and energy to develop their kids then those kids will thrive. When older systems are flooded with overworked parents they cannot succeed without massive changes. At one school my SO saw the whole district being reorganized, subdividing overcrowded or otherwise troubled administrations into new smaller administrations and schools. Community challenges remained though.

teawrecks 5y ago

That article and entire website are the epitome of, "the powers that be used arguments like 'parental choice' to stymie progress, and we ended up in a good-enough middle ground where the privileged class could pretend something was done, and racism was over." I'm not going to convince you of anything, I know, but you're not going to convince anyone with decade old articles from a conservative think tank propaganda site.

chuckee 5y ago
I'm confused - are you disputing their findings? They use official Dept. of Education data. And a 2019 peer-reviewed paper gives broadly similar numbers [1]: on average, both Black and Latinx total per pupil expenditures exceed White total per pupil expenditures by $229.53 and $126.15, respectively. This is anticipated due to the strong relationship between race and poverty (Reardon & Owens, 2014) and the increased federal funding targeted toward stu- dents in districts with concentrated poverty (Cascio & Reber, 2013). - https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2332858419872445 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/23328584198724... Why would this not be convincing on the narrow question of average education spending per pupil?
- teawrecks 5y ago
  Thanks for the more reputable source. TIL. I'll admit I didn't know about the per-pupil expenditure stats, and probably was just regurgitating something I had heard. This gives me something to research into. Still, I find this to be a superfluous detail in relation to the point I was making. The fact remains that, > "The authors find that when Black students are increasingly concentrated in separate school districts from White students in the same state, total revenue shifts in a way that disfavors the typical Black student’s district, even after controlling for racial differences in poverty." which is the point I was referencing. No one needs statistics to be convinced that social status coincides very closely with race in the US. So either 1) there are a series of systemic issues at play responsible for the pattern, or 2) there is something inherent about certain races which determines their social status relative to other races. Given that 2 is the definition of racial bias and racism, 1 must be where we find ourselves.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    > social status coincides very closely with race in the US So I'm curious about this statement. As I wrote elsewhere in this thread, twice as many whites than blacks are in poverty. If social status were almost substitutable for race, how come there are 17M white people in poverty? https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-ra... Edit. For reference, a nice databook from Pew Research, with income distributions by race in 1970 and 2016, though lacking absolute numbers presentation: https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/07/12/appendix-a-income-distributions-of-whites-blacks-hispanics-and-asians-in-the-u-s-1970-and-2016/ https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/07/12/appendi...

patentatt 5y ago

Then why is it that the public schools in affluent and largely white suburbs are so very different from those in more urban and/or diverse neighborhoods? I’m talking facilities, test scores, programs, I mean you name it there’s a big difference. Could it be that property taxes provide a more stable funding source from year to year compared to state funding?

sul_tasto 5y ago
My guess would be that poorer schools spend their funding on meals for students and other basic necessities, whereas richer districts can allocate their funding to better programming and facilities, etc. Test scores are however more a result of parenting: attention to kids’ needs, stability in the home, etc. Kids in poorer schools face a lot of challenges outside the classroom that affect their ability to learn.

paulryanrogers 5y ago

My SO taught in some inner city schools while we both had attended suburban schools. The issue is complex, though parental circumstances and starting points vary widely. When a relatively young school system is filled with kids whose parents have time and energy to develop their kids then those kids will thrive. When older systems are flooded with overworked parents they cannot succeed without massive changes. At one school my SO saw the whole district being reorganized, subdividing overcrowded or otherwise troubled administrations into new smaller administrations and schools. Community challenges remained though.