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US Navy is a mess, 3.5B submarine that is one of only 3 active in its class is now out of commission. They also imply human error, especially bad considering t

US Navy is a mess, 3.5B submarine that is one of only 3 active in its class is now out of commission. They also imply human error, especially bad considering the Bon Homme Richard was lost due to bad fire fighter training. Billion dollar accidents seem to be becoming common in the Navy. At this point I really have no confidence in the US military considering the performance during the Afghanistan withdrawal. The performance is pathetic considering the budget they have

motoboi 5y ago
Billion dollars accidents will become more and more common because billion dollars ships will become more and more common. Accidents happen, risk management will never end that.
- vwcx 5y ago
  Propublica has a fascinating series on the failures of the modern Navy: https://features.propublica.org/navy-uss-mccain-crash/navy-installed-touch-screen-steering-ten-sailors-paid-with-their-lives/ https://features.propublica.org/navy-uss-mccain-crash/navy-i...
  - consumer451 5y ago
    I don't know why I'm still shocked by things like this, but I am. > The Navy installed touch-screen steering systems to save money. > Ten sailors paid with their lives.
protomyth 5y ago
Well, to be fair, they decided to go with the Virginia class as a replacement after only three. US military considering the performance during the Afghanistan withdrawal - that's pure DC leadership and not a reflection on the actual troops.
- ren_engineer 5y ago
  >that's pure DC leadership and not a reflection on the actual troops. true, but the fact the Pentagon has been filled with liars for decades isn't a positive sign. And nobody has paid any consequences for the failure, not a single person fired or punished. Having lions led by sheep isn't a consolation, the results are still the same Major changes aren't going to happen until something really bad happens, and by then it might be too late to matter
- alexnewman 5y ago
  which ended up not really being cheaper
  - QuarterReptile 5y ago
    This assertion is interesting.. Even before inflation, the Seawolf cost per unit was higher than 774, and it was nearly double in inflation-adjusted terms. You could argue that the Block V VAs are closer to catching up, but at this point in the program it's better understood as an SSGN (which, ironically, is now out of style just as it's starting to be built.) Besides this, everything about Seawolf screams expensive, which can't be said about VA.
    - alexnewman 5y ago
      Why are ssgn outdated?
    - deleted 5y ago
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alexnewman 5y ago
It's a 5.5B submarine actually
dirtyid 5y ago
>only 3 active in its class is now out of commission. There's potentially even worse intangible costs. Chinese military watching rumormills are alleging that Russian and Chinese forces were monitoring the multi-carrier exercise that Connecticut was part of, may have isolated the subs acouistic signiture and are poring over old sonar records to identify past Seawolf class activity. I'm somewhat skeptical, but PRC has been absolutely saturating region with anti-submarine warfare assets especially when US conducts exercises in the region.
- blitzar 5y ago
  > PRC has been absolutely saturating region with anti-submarine warfare assets While the US has been saturation the region with submarine warfare assets.

motoboi 5y ago

Billion dollars accidents will become more and more common because billion dollars ships will become more and more common. Accidents happen, risk management will never end that.

vwcx 5y ago
Propublica has a fascinating series on the failures of the modern Navy: https://features.propublica.org/navy-uss-mccain-crash/navy-installed-touch-screen-steering-ten-sailors-paid-with-their-lives/ https://features.propublica.org/navy-uss-mccain-crash/navy-i...
- consumer451 5y ago
  I don't know why I'm still shocked by things like this, but I am. > The Navy installed touch-screen steering systems to save money. > Ten sailors paid with their lives.

protomyth 5y ago

Well, to be fair, they decided to go with the Virginia class as a replacement after only three. US military considering the performance during the Afghanistan withdrawal - that's pure DC leadership and not a reflection on the actual troops.

ren_engineer 5y ago
>that's pure DC leadership and not a reflection on the actual troops. true, but the fact the Pentagon has been filled with liars for decades isn't a positive sign. And nobody has paid any consequences for the failure, not a single person fired or punished. Having lions led by sheep isn't a consolation, the results are still the same Major changes aren't going to happen until something really bad happens, and by then it might be too late to matter
alexnewman 5y ago
which ended up not really being cheaper
- QuarterReptile 5y ago
  This assertion is interesting.. Even before inflation, the Seawolf cost per unit was higher than 774, and it was nearly double in inflation-adjusted terms. You could argue that the Block V VAs are closer to catching up, but at this point in the program it's better understood as an SSGN (which, ironically, is now out of style just as it's starting to be built.) Besides this, everything about Seawolf screams expensive, which can't be said about VA.
  - alexnewman 5y ago
    Why are ssgn outdated?
  - deleted 5y ago
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alexnewman 5y ago

It's a 5.5B submarine actually

dirtyid 5y ago

>only 3 active in its class is now out of commission. There's potentially even worse intangible costs. Chinese military watching rumormills are alleging that Russian and Chinese forces were monitoring the multi-carrier exercise that Connecticut was part of, may have isolated the subs acouistic signiture and are poring over old sonar records to identify past Seawolf class activity. I'm somewhat skeptical, but PRC has been absolutely saturating region with anti-submarine warfare assets especially when US conducts exercises in the region.

blitzar 5y ago
> PRC has been absolutely saturating region with anti-submarine warfare assets While the US has been saturation the region with submarine warfare assets.