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If your goal is to deliver the most value possible to the company you work for, your attitude is correct. My goal is to enjoy my life. To a certain extent, bri

If your goal is to deliver the most value possible to the company you work for, your attitude is correct. My goal is to enjoy my life. To a certain extent, bringing value is enjoyable. So I try and work hard and do a good job. But if someone makes my day worse, no matter how valuable they are to my employer, I don't want to work with them. I just can't imagine hiring someone you know you won't like. I'm not saying every person that's hired has to be best friends, but with the amount of time everyone spends together there should be at least some level of friendship.

makeitdouble 5y ago
> there should be at least some level of friendship. With teams going full remote, does it still matter ? There’s people I work with day to day I’ll never meet more that once in a month. Same way there’s people I clearly don’t click with on a personal level, but we’re literally keeping distances. I feel a lot of these rhetorics will have to change now that the day to day life also has change for so many of us.
- RandallBrown 5y ago
  It probably matters less but I've worked remotely for almost 3 years and I definitely am glad to be at least somewhat friends with my team. You still need to communicate with your coworkers and being able to develop a rapport is a lot easier (for me) if you have at least something in common.
nbzso 5y ago
> But if someone makes my day worse, no matter how valuable they are to my employer, I don't want to work with them. With all due respect, how do you define "makes my day worse"? If proper communication in strictly professional use-case is present, nobody's day will be defined as "worst" or "better". Friendship is cool, but is subjective and temporary form of perception. People characters change under pressure or due to personal internal or external events. As always there is exception of this rule, but in general building trust trough honesty and open communication is the better investment. Respecting someone for knowledge, experience and abilities has long-term value in life and obviously in production reality.
- yupper32 5y ago
  > Respecting someone for knowledge, experience and abilities has long-term value in life Sure but is that fun? You're still laser focused on sucking value and productivity out of everything. I spend a MASSIVE amount of time with my coworkers (40+ hours a week!). If they're not fun to work with then I'm leaving.
- salawat 5y ago
  >With all due respect, how do you define "makes my day worse"? Does their job in such a way that it runs completely counter to the central mission of running a company/Department, contributes to higher employee attrition, creates more work that has to be undone, etc? Run into it all the time. They can know their stuff, they can be able to apply it, but if they're a raging, uncontrollable unaccountable jerk, or have a physical odiousness or manner that disrupts the workplace for others, all the skills in the world cannot save you in the course of being hired by me. We spend a full third minimum of our lives working. When you're responsible for a team, I see it as a serious responsibility to make sure everyone is accommodated for and welcome... Even that though is finite. I call it the "Filthy Breeder Jerk Chicken" exception.
  - nbzso 5y ago
    This is a management problem. If the company has a healthy communication practices, the people will trust the procedure and someone who is not following the rules will be removed quickly. From my experience you cannot select with certainty and from the start with subjective criteria, you can mitigate the problems with right management and proper procedures. What if someone with high intelligence learns to "act" and implement some "persuasion" tricks? I had similar experiences with people with "acceptable" skillset and over the top "persuasion" skills who did not bring quality to the company at all. They go along and create "comfort" for others in the name of their own survival and career advancements. Luckily I am aware of this "phenomenon" and never will accept "friendliness" or other subjective criteria in my company. From production stand point the problem is that this "friendliness trend" leads to team sentiments and lack of critical thinking. All of this is mitigated trough clear company culture and requirements. Removing subjectivism and personal preferences is vital for production processes and requires management skills. May be this is the core of the problem: A lot of tech entrepreneurs don't invest in acquiring management knowledge and go with a path of least resistance - comfort, friendliness and "culture fit".:)

makeitdouble 5y ago

> there should be at least some level of friendship. With teams going full remote, does it still matter ? There’s people I work with day to day I’ll never meet more that once in a month. Same way there’s people I clearly don’t click with on a personal level, but we’re literally keeping distances. I feel a lot of these rhetorics will have to change now that the day to day life also has change for so many of us.

RandallBrown 5y ago
It probably matters less but I've worked remotely for almost 3 years and I definitely am glad to be at least somewhat friends with my team. You still need to communicate with your coworkers and being able to develop a rapport is a lot easier (for me) if you have at least something in common.

nbzso 5y ago

> But if someone makes my day worse, no matter how valuable they are to my employer, I don't want to work with them. With all due respect, how do you define "makes my day worse"? If proper communication in strictly professional use-case is present, nobody's day will be defined as "worst" or "better". Friendship is cool, but is subjective and temporary form of perception. People characters change under pressure or due to personal internal or external events. As always there is exception of this rule, but in general building trust trough honesty and open communication is the better investment. Respecting someone for knowledge, experience and abilities has long-term value in life and obviously in production reality.

yupper32 5y ago
> Respecting someone for knowledge, experience and abilities has long-term value in life Sure but is that fun? You're still laser focused on sucking value and productivity out of everything. I spend a MASSIVE amount of time with my coworkers (40+ hours a week!). If they're not fun to work with then I'm leaving.
salawat 5y ago
>With all due respect, how do you define "makes my day worse"? Does their job in such a way that it runs completely counter to the central mission of running a company/Department, contributes to higher employee attrition, creates more work that has to be undone, etc? Run into it all the time. They can know their stuff, they can be able to apply it, but if they're a raging, uncontrollable unaccountable jerk, or have a physical odiousness or manner that disrupts the workplace for others, all the skills in the world cannot save you in the course of being hired by me. We spend a full third minimum of our lives working. When you're responsible for a team, I see it as a serious responsibility to make sure everyone is accommodated for and welcome... Even that though is finite. I call it the "Filthy Breeder Jerk Chicken" exception.
- nbzso 5y ago
  This is a management problem. If the company has a healthy communication practices, the people will trust the procedure and someone who is not following the rules will be removed quickly. From my experience you cannot select with certainty and from the start with subjective criteria, you can mitigate the problems with right management and proper procedures. What if someone with high intelligence learns to "act" and implement some "persuasion" tricks? I had similar experiences with people with "acceptable" skillset and over the top "persuasion" skills who did not bring quality to the company at all. They go along and create "comfort" for others in the name of their own survival and career advancements. Luckily I am aware of this "phenomenon" and never will accept "friendliness" or other subjective criteria in my company. From production stand point the problem is that this "friendliness trend" leads to team sentiments and lack of critical thinking. All of this is mitigated trough clear company culture and requirements. Removing subjectivism and personal preferences is vital for production processes and requires management skills. May be this is the core of the problem: A lot of tech entrepreneurs don't invest in acquiring management knowledge and go with a path of least resistance - comfort, friendliness and "culture fit".:)