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Office 365 in browser sucks. What IE only apps were people desperately waiting for? There really isn't a reason to switch for most people, its a lot of pain for

Office 365 in browser sucks. What IE only apps were people desperately waiting for? There really isn't a reason to switch for most people, its a lot of pain for not much benefit. A better question is what do they gain?

littlestymaar 5y ago
> Office 365 in browser sucks. Kind of, but at least it works and is compatible with everybody's Office document which is a big barrier to people migrating to LibreOffice. > What IE only apps were people desperately waiting for? Every internal corporate web app developed in the 2000s, all custom built, developed by external contractors and not actively maintained because “they work” (or at least their bugs are well known and worked around). In my wife's department alone, there's like a dozen of such apps (for holiday tracking, training scheduling, etc, etc.). It's also discussed in the article btw: “We had so many applications that still depend on Internet Explorer,” Ronny Intrau, Browser Product Manager at Bundesagentur für Arbeit > A better question is what do they gain? Companies and administrations have had enormous troubles migrating away from Windows XP when the support ended (and some haven't actually, because they just couldn't afford it). Windows 7 support ends in January 2023, and with Windows 11 we now know that the promise to have Windows 10 forever was a lie, and that they'll need to migrate yet again (while throwing away a good amount of PC, because of the system requirements, as it's always the case with such migrations). We're talking of migrations costing tens or hundreds of millions for public administrations. Never going through this all over again is a win. [1]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-7 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-...
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  >Kind of, but at least it works and is compatible with everybody's Office document which is a big barrier to people migrating to LibreOffice. I still use .doc rather than .docx and its never once given me a problem. The barrier is just unwillingness to change rather than any real problems with LO. I had no idea they decided that they should make apps for IE. They don't even seem hard to replace with a random app or a calendar. Why are they so unique or needed? They could easily just have a server and run Windows as VMs and never have issues. Lots of places still use XP or something on an intranet, and even on the internet a VM version won't pose any dangers.
  - littlestymaar 5y ago
    > I still use .doc rather than .docx and its never once given me a problem. The barrier is just unwillingness to change rather than any real problems with LO. I assume you haven't opened more than a handful of .doc documents then, because around 70% of the .doc documents I open are either broken when I open them (around 20% of the time), or when the other party open them after I edited them (around 50% of the time). In practice docx docs seems to work a little bit better, but not that much (I'd say 50 to 60% failure). And I say that as a Linux user for 14 years now. Until MS365 came, MS Word documents where constant frustration.

littlestymaar 5y ago

> Office 365 in browser sucks. Kind of, but at least it works and is compatible with everybody's Office document which is a big barrier to people migrating to LibreOffice. > What IE only apps were people desperately waiting for? Every internal corporate web app developed in the 2000s, all custom built, developed by external contractors and not actively maintained because “they work” (or at least their bugs are well known and worked around). In my wife's department alone, there's like a dozen of such apps (for holiday tracking, training scheduling, etc, etc.). It's also discussed in the article btw: “We had so many applications that still depend on Internet Explorer,” Ronny Intrau, Browser Product Manager at Bundesagentur für Arbeit > A better question is what do they gain? Companies and administrations have had enormous troubles migrating away from Windows XP when the support ended (and some haven't actually, because they just couldn't afford it). Windows 7 support ends in January 2023, and with Windows 11 we now know that the promise to have Windows 10 forever was a lie, and that they'll need to migrate yet again (while throwing away a good amount of PC, because of the system requirements, as it's always the case with such migrations). We're talking of migrations costing tens or hundreds of millions for public administrations. Never going through this all over again is a win. [1]: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-7 https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-...

GhettoComputers 5y ago
>Kind of, but at least it works and is compatible with everybody's Office document which is a big barrier to people migrating to LibreOffice. I still use .doc rather than .docx and its never once given me a problem. The barrier is just unwillingness to change rather than any real problems with LO. I had no idea they decided that they should make apps for IE. They don't even seem hard to replace with a random app or a calendar. Why are they so unique or needed? They could easily just have a server and run Windows as VMs and never have issues. Lots of places still use XP or something on an intranet, and even on the internet a VM version won't pose any dangers.
- littlestymaar 5y ago
  > I still use .doc rather than .docx and its never once given me a problem. The barrier is just unwillingness to change rather than any real problems with LO. I assume you haven't opened more than a handful of .doc documents then, because around 70% of the .doc documents I open are either broken when I open them (around 20% of the time), or when the other party open them after I edited them (around 50% of the time). In practice docx docs seems to work a little bit better, but not that much (I'd say 50 to 60% failure). And I say that as a Linux user for 14 years now. Until MS365 came, MS Word documents where constant frustration.