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Tesla themselves publish data on this, and cars get in fewer accidents with AP engaged This is false, or at very best misleading, considering that Tesla's Auto

Tesla themselves publish data on this, and cars get in fewer accidents with AP engaged This is false, or at very best misleading, considering that Tesla's Autopilot is responsible for more than 10 fatalities. Or in other words, Tesla's AP has killed more people than the entire rest of the domestic auto industry's smart cruise control features. Combined. (And Tesla's "safety" data conspicuously fails to mention any of these fatalities.) And that doesn't even include all the times that AP ran into stationary emergency vehicles, or the many slow-moving accidents in parking lots, or the many near-misses that were avoided because the other driver was able to avoid the suicidal Tesla in time.

ajross 5y ago
Come on, the "entire rest of the domestic auto industry's smart cruise control features. Combined." constitutes what, 20k vehicles or something like that? It's just in the last few months that we've seen lanekeeping features start to land in volume models, and even then they tend to be extremely heavily geofenced. It's very hard to kill someone when no one has your product and you won't let them use it. Who's being misleading here?
- gamblor956 5y ago
  The entire rest of the domestic automobile industry sold millions of cars with smart cruise control features similar to Autopilot over the past few years, so the misleading one would be...you? Unless you're now claiming that FSD is just a version of smart cruise control?
  - ajross 5y ago
    "Similar to autopilot" meaning what? Are you trying to say radar speed modulating is the same kind of system? You've completely lost me. But if you mean vanilla cruise control, people die using that every day.
    - gamblor956 5y ago
      No, using vanilla cruise control, almost nobody dies every day. It is in fact rare enough that when it happens it gets reported in the news. The fact that Tesla fans can't grasp the concept that Tesla is (a) not perfect and (b) deliberately endangering people's lives for profit is unfortunately not shocking any more, but it doesn't mean the rest of us have to put up with that schadenfreude.

ajross 5y ago

Come on, the "entire rest of the domestic auto industry's smart cruise control features. Combined." constitutes what, 20k vehicles or something like that? It's just in the last few months that we've seen lanekeeping features start to land in volume models, and even then they tend to be extremely heavily geofenced. It's very hard to kill someone when no one has your product and you won't let them use it. Who's being misleading here?

gamblor956 5y ago
The entire rest of the domestic automobile industry sold millions of cars with smart cruise control features similar to Autopilot over the past few years, so the misleading one would be...you? Unless you're now claiming that FSD is just a version of smart cruise control?
- ajross 5y ago
  "Similar to autopilot" meaning what? Are you trying to say radar speed modulating is the same kind of system? You've completely lost me. But if you mean vanilla cruise control, people die using that every day.
  - gamblor956 5y ago
    No, using vanilla cruise control, almost nobody dies every day. It is in fact rare enough that when it happens it gets reported in the news. The fact that Tesla fans can't grasp the concept that Tesla is (a) not perfect and (b) deliberately endangering people's lives for profit is unfortunately not shocking any more, but it doesn't mean the rest of us have to put up with that schadenfreude.