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Great! But if it is not without the consent of the person involved though, it is your "convenience" breaching someone else's privacy. I think it is important to

Great! But if it is not without the consent of the person involved though, it is your "convenience" breaching someone else's privacy. I think it is important to think about this.

jdavis703 5y ago
I don’t see how organic facial recognition is any worse than electronic recognition. Evidently some people can take a simple wanted or missing persons person and solve a case. But for me that ability feels like magic. How is having an aid, like facial recognition glasses, any worse? This of course assumes a non-scalable offline system. Obviously something online like China’s social credit system is more of a breach.
- jjj123 5y ago
  I am definitely anti facial recognition in general, precisely because of your second point. If I felt there were reasonable incentives for recognition to stay offline/individual scale that would be fine with me. But obviously we’re heading in the opposite direction, where corporations use facial recognition to gather even more data on users for ad dollars, and governments use it to surveil citizens for “national security.” I don’t want to help either of those initiatives, so for now I’m strictly anti facial recognition, even for benign use cases at the micro level.
drusepth 5y ago
Is it really breaching someone's privacy to assist your own memory of the things they've chosen to (repeatedly) tell you?
- jjj123 5y ago
  I think the breach of privacy is giving an almost trillion dollar corporation free training data via my face and name combination. I don’t mind an individual knowing this information, but I’d rather that individual not hand that data over to a megacorp that has a million other unknown uses for it.
  - unsungNovelty 5y ago
    This is true. But in your point I assume you are talking about the company who is doing the facial recognition I assume. But that is not the case really. Even if the person uses a home grown tech, the person can eventually share it to another dataset. A good example is me refusing to share my photo with my friends for that app which turns you into an old guy. Another friend just out of spite shared a personal photo he has of me. Now my photo is in this Russian database which does data mining. For better privacy, you being careful is not enough. You need to make sure everyone around you are privacy oriented. And we need to make systems that make that happen. Opt in privacy is not effective.
    - jjj123 5y ago
      I’m not sure which part of my comment you’re replying to, I think we’re in total agreement.

Great! But if it is not without the consent of the person involved though, it is your "convenience" breaching someone else's privacy. I think it is important to think about this.

jdavis703 5y ago

I don’t see how organic facial recognition is any worse than electronic recognition. Evidently some people can take a simple wanted or missing persons person and solve a case. But for me that ability feels like magic. How is having an aid, like facial recognition glasses, any worse? This of course assumes a non-scalable offline system. Obviously something online like China’s social credit system is more of a breach.

jjj123 5y ago
I am definitely anti facial recognition in general, precisely because of your second point. If I felt there were reasonable incentives for recognition to stay offline/individual scale that would be fine with me. But obviously we’re heading in the opposite direction, where corporations use facial recognition to gather even more data on users for ad dollars, and governments use it to surveil citizens for “national security.” I don’t want to help either of those initiatives, so for now I’m strictly anti facial recognition, even for benign use cases at the micro level.

drusepth 5y ago

Is it really breaching someone's privacy to assist your own memory of the things they've chosen to (repeatedly) tell you?

jjj123 5y ago
I think the breach of privacy is giving an almost trillion dollar corporation free training data via my face and name combination. I don’t mind an individual knowing this information, but I’d rather that individual not hand that data over to a megacorp that has a million other unknown uses for it.
- unsungNovelty 5y ago
  This is true. But in your point I assume you are talking about the company who is doing the facial recognition I assume. But that is not the case really. Even if the person uses a home grown tech, the person can eventually share it to another dataset. A good example is me refusing to share my photo with my friends for that app which turns you into an old guy. Another friend just out of spite shared a personal photo he has of me. Now my photo is in this Russian database which does data mining. For better privacy, you being careful is not enough. You need to make sure everyone around you are privacy oriented. And we need to make systems that make that happen. Opt in privacy is not effective.
  - jjj123 5y ago
    I’m not sure which part of my comment you’re replying to, I think we’re in total agreement.