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》The primary argument against soldering the SSD, or really any other part, down like this tends to be that "Oh, now you can't just save money by upgrading it yo

》The primary argument against soldering the SSD, or really any other part, down like this tends to be that "Oh, now you can't just save money by upgrading it yourself|replacing it when it breaks Are you trolling? The primary argument is data recovery. Anything on laptop can die: charging port, motherboard... With soldered ssd your data are gone! You need to resolder SSD into exact same machine type, it may take 5 weeks if you are lucky! It takes 5 minutes to swap normal SSD into new machine and reboot! Maybe 1 hour if you have to go into shop!

djrogers 5y ago
Given that the encryption keys for the SSD are stored in the Secure Enclave, moving the SSD elsewhere wouldn't do you any good anyway.
- userbinator 5y ago
  ...and that's the second problem they created.
  - kube-system 5y ago
    Disaster recovery is not a backup, nor should it supersede physical security in importance. Time Machine solves all of these problems.
    - int_19h 5y ago
      For the vast majority of home users, disaster recovery does supersede physical security in importance.
      - kube-system 5y ago
        It might, when it's too late. But it still shouldn't, because better options exist that prevent a disaster in the first place.
- throw3849 5y ago
  I think that can be disabled, or encryption key exported for backup. Anyway, it is stupid argument. It is like saying car does not need spare tire, because wheels are welded to save 10 ounces on bolts.
jdminhbg 5y ago
I don't see how data recovery is an issue. You should be backing up off-site and locally anyway. Why would you optimize for the specific case of most of the laptop dying but not the SSD? It's more likely your laptop will get stolen or lost or dunked in water or burned in a fire. The soldering will make no difference in that case. Use backups.
- dirkg 5y ago
  there is ZERO benefit to users of soldering an SSD or any other part. Its done purely for profit. Stop conflating the issue with backups, the 2 have nothing to do with each other. Even if you take regular backups you can and will lose critical data when any $5 part on your $3-4k machine goes bad. Amazing how far people will go to defend Apple.

djrogers 5y ago

Given that the encryption keys for the SSD are stored in the Secure Enclave, moving the SSD elsewhere wouldn't do you any good anyway.

userbinator 5y ago
...and that's the second problem they created.
- kube-system 5y ago
  Disaster recovery is not a backup, nor should it supersede physical security in importance. Time Machine solves all of these problems.
  - int_19h 5y ago
    For the vast majority of home users, disaster recovery does supersede physical security in importance.
    - kube-system 5y ago
      It might, when it's too late. But it still shouldn't, because better options exist that prevent a disaster in the first place.
throw3849 5y ago
I think that can be disabled, or encryption key exported for backup. Anyway, it is stupid argument. It is like saying car does not need spare tire, because wheels are welded to save 10 ounces on bolts.

jdminhbg 5y ago

I don't see how data recovery is an issue. You should be backing up off-site and locally anyway. Why would you optimize for the specific case of most of the laptop dying but not the SSD? It's more likely your laptop will get stolen or lost or dunked in water or burned in a fire. The soldering will make no difference in that case. Use backups.

dirkg 5y ago
there is ZERO benefit to users of soldering an SSD or any other part. Its done purely for profit. Stop conflating the issue with backups, the 2 have nothing to do with each other. Even if you take regular backups you can and will lose critical data when any $5 part on your $3-4k machine goes bad. Amazing how far people will go to defend Apple.