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It's not just about upgrades, in fact it's not even mainly about upgrades. It's about being able to understand the machine, repairing it when necessary and ulti

It's not just about upgrades, in fact it's not even mainly about upgrades. It's about being able to understand the machine, repairing it when necessary and ultimately being able to rely on it. Otherwise your device might be a candidate for the bin after the warranty expired, which can be surprisingly quick.

mlindner 5y ago
This weird OCD obsession with wanting to be able to piece apart a device just like it's a car is just strange. The device is a complete package. You don't re-solder and reflash busted chips on a motherboard do you? So why do you want to be able to replace the higher level parts rather than the whole device? This isn't like a desktop where all the parts are bought from different manufacturers and assembled by an OEM or by you. The laptop is a complete kit made by a single manufacturer.
- UseStrict 5y ago
  But why does it have to be that way? They ship off-the-shelf RAM and SSDs in the Framework fully or partially assembled kits. They released CAD files and drawings for their module system. They actually sell replacement parts for other components, much like an OEM automaker does. If my touchpad dies I'd rather be able to swap it out with a new $100 part than buy a whole new $1500 laptop. It's a new company and have not been tested yet in terms of backwards-compatibility and ongoing inventory. But just because you can't swap parts in most laptops doesn't really imply that you shouldn't be able to.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    The thinkpad trackpads are $15 new. If you want to get repairable laptops just get business laptops. Don’t be fooled by the marketing, many Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops have those benefits on top of a huge aftermarket which framework doesn’t have and can’t leverage. You can way cheaper buy a broken laptop of the same model and fix yours with it whereas framework will only have their niche market which won’t be cheaper.
    - dsego 5y ago
      Broke my t480s screen, found a replacement from a german online store, ordered it and it came to my address in croatia in a day or two. Went to a local repair shop and had it installed in less than 20 minutes. Imagine doing the same with a macbook, lol.
      - GhettoComputers 5y ago
        You can do it yourself next time in under 7 even for a first time. Its very easy. I did it in 3 minutes my first time.
- fsckboy 5y ago
  >This weird OCD obsession with wanting to be able to piece apart a device suggesting that people who embrace "right to repair" have a psychopathology is the only psychological blindspot I see here. wanting to enlarge your memory or your drive storage is completely normal in the present day as these devices increase in size dramatically well within the lifetime of a notebook computer
- kuschku 5y ago
  I bought a T470 used, replaced RAM, SSD, display, battery, and now I’ve got 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM, 2TB NVMe SSD, a 1080p 400 nits 105% sRGB display, and over 20h battery life in performance mode. For 460€. I put some of the old parts together with some old desktop SSD in my old E540 and gave it my gf, who previously used an x220 with upgraded SSD and RAM. The E540 already has a new display, too. I do replace and change and upgrade all these parts to be able to use a cheap laptop over many years, just like I do with a desktop.
pvarangot 5y ago
> a candidate for the bin after the warranty expired, which can be surprisingly quick All my all Macs sold for great value after I was done with them or got a better one, even with an expired guarantee. It took like a week or two to sell them. I'm still stuck with Thinkpads because the used market is shit. My last Thinkpad I got kinda impulsively as a workstation for Ableton is my deepest regret. It was a year ago, the Intel MacBooks where not cutting it, it's a great machine and was like 2600 and now I want to go back to an M1 MacBook Pro and it's impossible to sell it anywhere, I feel I just threw away money. A four year old MacBook Pro is worth more on the Apple exchange program than my Thinkpad, it's really sad.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Which one did you get?
  - pvarangot 5y ago
    It's a P53 with 32gb ram, 1tb SSD, an i7-9750H and a Quadro. It's a beast. It smokes my one year newer similar MacBook Pro because it actually runs at clock rate because it doesn't get as hot. But no one wants it because it's a niche market to have an ugly workstation on your desk. If I could sell it for something like 1600 I would buy an M1 Mac in a brim but it's really though. They go from 600 to 900 on Craigslist, it's insane, I feel really dumb for buying it, a MacBook with half the RAM and SSD goes for 1400 to 1600 and the GPU sucks. I'm thinking about plugging it to the TV and using it as a Steam console or something like that, my girlfriend games. But it's a fucking expensive console.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      Install hackintosh on it and sell the MacBook.
      - pvarangot 5y ago
        Yeah it already runs Hackintosh. The MacBook is not mine, it's my work laptop. What I'm saying is instead of the Thinkpad if I had bought anything Apple with similar performance, like an iMac Pro or a Mini Pro, I would be up around 1000 and now that money just disappeared into nothingness because the used market for PCs suck.

mlindner 5y ago

This weird OCD obsession with wanting to be able to piece apart a device just like it's a car is just strange. The device is a complete package. You don't re-solder and reflash busted chips on a motherboard do you? So why do you want to be able to replace the higher level parts rather than the whole device? This isn't like a desktop where all the parts are bought from different manufacturers and assembled by an OEM or by you. The laptop is a complete kit made by a single manufacturer.

UseStrict 5y ago
But why does it have to be that way? They ship off-the-shelf RAM and SSDs in the Framework fully or partially assembled kits. They released CAD files and drawings for their module system. They actually sell replacement parts for other components, much like an OEM automaker does. If my touchpad dies I'd rather be able to swap it out with a new $100 part than buy a whole new $1500 laptop. It's a new company and have not been tested yet in terms of backwards-compatibility and ongoing inventory. But just because you can't swap parts in most laptops doesn't really imply that you shouldn't be able to.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  The thinkpad trackpads are $15 new. If you want to get repairable laptops just get business laptops. Don’t be fooled by the marketing, many Dell, HP and Lenovo laptops have those benefits on top of a huge aftermarket which framework doesn’t have and can’t leverage. You can way cheaper buy a broken laptop of the same model and fix yours with it whereas framework will only have their niche market which won’t be cheaper.
  - dsego 5y ago
    Broke my t480s screen, found a replacement from a german online store, ordered it and it came to my address in croatia in a day or two. Went to a local repair shop and had it installed in less than 20 minutes. Imagine doing the same with a macbook, lol.
    - GhettoComputers 5y ago
      You can do it yourself next time in under 7 even for a first time. Its very easy. I did it in 3 minutes my first time.
fsckboy 5y ago
>This weird OCD obsession with wanting to be able to piece apart a device suggesting that people who embrace "right to repair" have a psychopathology is the only psychological blindspot I see here. wanting to enlarge your memory or your drive storage is completely normal in the present day as these devices increase in size dramatically well within the lifetime of a notebook computer
kuschku 5y ago
I bought a T470 used, replaced RAM, SSD, display, battery, and now I’ve got 16GB DDR4-3200 RAM, 2TB NVMe SSD, a 1080p 400 nits 105% sRGB display, and over 20h battery life in performance mode. For 460€. I put some of the old parts together with some old desktop SSD in my old E540 and gave it my gf, who previously used an x220 with upgraded SSD and RAM. The E540 already has a new display, too. I do replace and change and upgrade all these parts to be able to use a cheap laptop over many years, just like I do with a desktop.

pvarangot 5y ago

> a candidate for the bin after the warranty expired, which can be surprisingly quick All my all Macs sold for great value after I was done with them or got a better one, even with an expired guarantee. It took like a week or two to sell them. I'm still stuck with Thinkpads because the used market is shit. My last Thinkpad I got kinda impulsively as a workstation for Ableton is my deepest regret. It was a year ago, the Intel MacBooks where not cutting it, it's a great machine and was like 2600 and now I want to go back to an M1 MacBook Pro and it's impossible to sell it anywhere, I feel I just threw away money. A four year old MacBook Pro is worth more on the Apple exchange program than my Thinkpad, it's really sad.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
Which one did you get?
- pvarangot 5y ago
  It's a P53 with 32gb ram, 1tb SSD, an i7-9750H and a Quadro. It's a beast. It smokes my one year newer similar MacBook Pro because it actually runs at clock rate because it doesn't get as hot. But no one wants it because it's a niche market to have an ugly workstation on your desk. If I could sell it for something like 1600 I would buy an M1 Mac in a brim but it's really though. They go from 600 to 900 on Craigslist, it's insane, I feel really dumb for buying it, a MacBook with half the RAM and SSD goes for 1400 to 1600 and the GPU sucks. I'm thinking about plugging it to the TV and using it as a Steam console or something like that, my girlfriend games. But it's a fucking expensive console.
  - GhettoComputers 5y ago
    Install hackintosh on it and sell the MacBook.
    - pvarangot 5y ago
      Yeah it already runs Hackintosh. The MacBook is not mine, it's my work laptop. What I'm saying is instead of the Thinkpad if I had bought anything Apple with similar performance, like an iMac Pro or a Mini Pro, I would be up around 1000 and now that money just disappeared into nothingness because the used market for PCs suck.