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What the sub is: Teenagers who work in the service industry posting fake "I quit" texts and mix that with a fundamental misunderstanding of capitalism, failing

What the sub is: Teenagers who work in the service industry posting fake "I quit" texts and mix that with a fundamental misunderstanding of capitalism, failing to understand value generation, and labeling any semblance of "work hard to make money" as 'survivorship bias'. What the sub should be: Critiquing the current model of capitalism that's oppressive to the working class and supporting career moves away from toxic work industries/companies.

dmalecaut 5y ago
Hear hear!
melony 5y ago
Unfortunately not everyone has the talent to become software engineers. On the other hand, if you are a software engineer who is underpaid because you chose to work in a passion industry like gaming or aerospace, then you only have yourself to blame.
- ferrumfist 5y ago
  Software engineering doesn't require talent any more than learning calculus requires talent. We aren't that special or gifted imo. Not only that, software engineering isn't the only path to financial success (though it is fairly stable and future-proof).
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  - throwntoday 5y ago
    Let me preface by saying I don't think software engineering requires talent per se, but it absolutely does require being able to think abstractly/logically about problems and a certain level of intellect. From my experience in upper-division university courses, less than a quarter of the students are capable of this. Being a code-monkey is trivial, being able to design the optimal solution for any given problem is a talent. University programs are increasingly shifting towards a bootcamp style curriculum rather than focusing on the science of CS.
  - Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
    > Software engineering doesn't require talent any more than learning calculus requires talent. We aren't that special or gifted imo. Derailing a bit here, but I don't think this is true, and I think it's an example of a part of Dunning-Kruger that is often forgotten - Highly competent people underestimate their competence and incorrectly presume others find a task just as easy as they do. There are a lot of people that struggle with algebra. They could never learn calculus without putting in a ridiculous amount of time into studying it. What makes software engineering different is that it requires abstract thinking, something not everyone has. You have to be able to understand how to break a problem down into tiny steps and be able to express those steps in a language that a compiler or interpreter will understand. And even with training, we get people that can't FizzBuzz.
  - xmonkee 5y ago
    I 100% agree that software engineers are not special. But they are specialized. And getting to that point of specialization takes a combination of inclination, opportunity and, yes, some aptitude that not everyone has. My wife is brilliant at her job. She used to be a passable software engineer and hated it. Now she does something equally lucrative and competitive and is much better at it than I could ever be.
nunez 5y ago
many adults feel this way as well
Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
> fake "I quit" texts Yeah, if I was a gambling man, I'd wager that at least 50% of the posts are fake, with the most upvoted posts the ones most likely to be fake, because they're too perfect. > a fundamental misunderstanding of capitalism No, they understand capitalism. And because they understand it, they hate it. Capitalism prioritizes absolutely one thing and one thing only: Profit. Corporations will typically only do the "right thing" as much as they have to in order to preserve profits. It is easy to find replacements for workers in the service industry, so it is more profitable to treat them like shit and replace them when they get sick of it and quit than to treat them well with a living wage and paid sick days. > failing to understand value generation By "value generation", do you mean the utterly wrong belief that your wage is in any way determined by the revenue you generate?

dmalecaut 5y ago

Hear hear!

melony 5y ago

Unfortunately not everyone has the talent to become software engineers. On the other hand, if you are a software engineer who is underpaid because you chose to work in a passion industry like gaming or aerospace, then you only have yourself to blame.

ferrumfist 5y ago
Software engineering doesn't require talent any more than learning calculus requires talent. We aren't that special or gifted imo. Not only that, software engineering isn't the only path to financial success (though it is fairly stable and future-proof).
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- throwntoday 5y ago
  Let me preface by saying I don't think software engineering requires talent per se, but it absolutely does require being able to think abstractly/logically about problems and a certain level of intellect. From my experience in upper-division university courses, less than a quarter of the students are capable of this. Being a code-monkey is trivial, being able to design the optimal solution for any given problem is a talent. University programs are increasingly shifting towards a bootcamp style curriculum rather than focusing on the science of CS.
- Sohcahtoa82 5y ago
  > Software engineering doesn't require talent any more than learning calculus requires talent. We aren't that special or gifted imo. Derailing a bit here, but I don't think this is true, and I think it's an example of a part of Dunning-Kruger that is often forgotten - Highly competent people underestimate their competence and incorrectly presume others find a task just as easy as they do. There are a lot of people that struggle with algebra. They could never learn calculus without putting in a ridiculous amount of time into studying it. What makes software engineering different is that it requires abstract thinking, something not everyone has. You have to be able to understand how to break a problem down into tiny steps and be able to express those steps in a language that a compiler or interpreter will understand. And even with training, we get people that can't FizzBuzz.
- xmonkee 5y ago
  I 100% agree that software engineers are not special. But they are specialized. And getting to that point of specialization takes a combination of inclination, opportunity and, yes, some aptitude that not everyone has. My wife is brilliant at her job. She used to be a passable software engineer and hated it. Now she does something equally lucrative and competitive and is much better at it than I could ever be.

nunez 5y ago

many adults feel this way as well

Sohcahtoa82 5y ago

> fake "I quit" texts Yeah, if I was a gambling man, I'd wager that at least 50% of the posts are fake, with the most upvoted posts the ones most likely to be fake, because they're too perfect. > a fundamental misunderstanding of capitalism No, they understand capitalism. And because they understand it, they hate it. Capitalism prioritizes absolutely one thing and one thing only: Profit. Corporations will typically only do the "right thing" as much as they have to in order to preserve profits. It is easy to find replacements for workers in the service industry, so it is more profitable to treat them like shit and replace them when they get sick of it and quit than to treat them well with a living wage and paid sick days. > failing to understand value generation By "value generation", do you mean the utterly wrong belief that your wage is in any way determined by the revenue you generate?