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Why is donating to a cause you believe in extremely poor judgement? > “You might not realize” The tone of my post wasn't the friendliest it could have been I

Why is donating to a cause you believe in extremely poor judgement? > “You might not realize” The tone of my post wasn't the friendliest it could have been I agree, but I get really annoyed when people imply that those who believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, which from a Christian perspective is very clear, are evil.

suriyaG 5y ago
I think, the point where this logic misses is when somebody, with such christian belief, actively goes out and tries to vilify and fight against those who get married in a way that they disagree with.
- spaghettiandm 5y ago
  Like the other commentor said, I think it's not about the people themselves as much as it is about the institution of marriage. I think that even the people who hold flags saying God hates fags aren't against civil unions.
  - oorza 5y ago
    > I think that even the people who hold flags saying God hates fags aren't against civil unions. That's hilariously naive. There's tens of thousands of victims of hate crimes for merely existing as LGTBQIA+ people. You think someone's okay with a civil union while they're lynching a gay man? Get the fuck out of here with this oppressor-forgiving rewriting of history. I was there, I lived it, this is total bullshit.
    - spaghettiandm 5y ago
      > Get the fuck out of here with this oppressor-forgiving rewriting of history. Relax dude, I didn't even say anything about history, and I thought it would be clear that I was using hyperboly to prove a point.
drxzcl 5y ago
I have no opinion on whether they are “evil”, but they certainly are causing actual harm to actual people. Religion is not a license to avoid accountability of this fact.
joedamore 5y ago
It's completely fair that people who do not subscribe to Christianity would look negatively upon those who do and who are trying to force their belief systems on everybody else. And it's arbitrary, anyway. How many passages from the Bible are nonchalantly dismissed by contemporary Christians because they're barbaric or otherwise incompatible with modern society and Christianity? If you have to pick and choose your beliefs anyway, why should any respect be owed to those who choose to believe that gays have no right to marry?
- spaghettiandm 5y ago
  I agree with you that it's a sensitive topic from both sides, but people should focus their negativity on the belief and not the person holding it. About the Bible, it's actually not as arbitrary as you might believe, because almost all examples of Biblical passages that are dismissed (like circumsision and not wearing some wools or whatnot) are in the Old Testament and are explicitly not required to follow in the new Covenant with Christ. Marriage is however repeated multiple times in the New Testament as well.
  - jjulius 5y ago
    >... but people should focus their negativity on the belief and not the person holding it. The person holding it, and voting accordingly, is responsible for denying other people happiness; responsible for saying, "You are different so you don't get what I have". I've no problem with someone holding a belief, I have a problem with people who can't just let others do what they want. Think that it's wrong and they'll go to hell? Then let them get married and go to hell. It's their choice, not yours. Mind your business.

suriyaG 5y ago

I think, the point where this logic misses is when somebody, with such christian belief, actively goes out and tries to vilify and fight against those who get married in a way that they disagree with.

spaghettiandm 5y ago
Like the other commentor said, I think it's not about the people themselves as much as it is about the institution of marriage. I think that even the people who hold flags saying God hates fags aren't against civil unions.
- oorza 5y ago
  > I think that even the people who hold flags saying God hates fags aren't against civil unions. That's hilariously naive. There's tens of thousands of victims of hate crimes for merely existing as LGTBQIA+ people. You think someone's okay with a civil union while they're lynching a gay man? Get the fuck out of here with this oppressor-forgiving rewriting of history. I was there, I lived it, this is total bullshit.
  - spaghettiandm 5y ago
    > Get the fuck out of here with this oppressor-forgiving rewriting of history. Relax dude, I didn't even say anything about history, and I thought it would be clear that I was using hyperboly to prove a point.

drxzcl 5y ago

I have no opinion on whether they are “evil”, but they certainly are causing actual harm to actual people. Religion is not a license to avoid accountability of this fact.

joedamore 5y ago

It's completely fair that people who do not subscribe to Christianity would look negatively upon those who do and who are trying to force their belief systems on everybody else. And it's arbitrary, anyway. How many passages from the Bible are nonchalantly dismissed by contemporary Christians because they're barbaric or otherwise incompatible with modern society and Christianity? If you have to pick and choose your beliefs anyway, why should any respect be owed to those who choose to believe that gays have no right to marry?

spaghettiandm 5y ago
I agree with you that it's a sensitive topic from both sides, but people should focus their negativity on the belief and not the person holding it. About the Bible, it's actually not as arbitrary as you might believe, because almost all examples of Biblical passages that are dismissed (like circumsision and not wearing some wools or whatnot) are in the Old Testament and are explicitly not required to follow in the new Covenant with Christ. Marriage is however repeated multiple times in the New Testament as well.
- jjulius 5y ago
  >... but people should focus their negativity on the belief and not the person holding it. The person holding it, and voting accordingly, is responsible for denying other people happiness; responsible for saying, "You are different so you don't get what I have". I've no problem with someone holding a belief, I have a problem with people who can't just let others do what they want. Think that it's wrong and they'll go to hell? Then let them get married and go to hell. It's their choice, not yours. Mind your business.