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I groan whenever I see a Firefox post on the front page. -"X moved Y pixels making Firefox UNUSABLE! So now I use Brave." -"Mozilla is run by a bunch of SJW i

I groan whenever I see a Firefox post on the front page. -"X moved Y pixels making Firefox UNUSABLE! So now I use Brave." -"Mozilla is run by a bunch of SJW idiots because they ran their CEO off. So now I run Brave." (I had to look into this, as I wasn't paying attention at the time. They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave.) -"My precious browser workflow was completely dependent on the interaction of 156 distinct XUL extensions so now I use Brave." -"something, something, Mr. Robot." (that, like everything, you can turn off) -"Ads in the address bar!" (that, like everything, you can turn off) -"They take money from Google!" (Hey, free money, since everyone either switches to DGG or were going to use Google anyway.) There are real criticisms you can make of Firefox/Mozilla. But on the whole, for the general user, none of them are grounds for moving to a Chromium based browser out of spite.

option_greek 5y ago
If I could pin your comment on all threads related to Firefox, I would. All this whining is what will finally do Firefox in.
- evilos 5y ago
  We really don't deserve Firefox. I'm really glad they are still kicking.
spaghettiandm 5y ago
>-"Mozilla is run by a bunch of SJW idiots because they ran their CEO off. So now I run Brave." (I had to look into this, as I wasn't paying attention at the time. They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave.) It wasn't a hill to die on, it was a private donation from his private bank account as a private person. The funding page got leaked and people saw that he donated. And it wasn't removing the right for gays to marry, it was to keep the proposal from becoming a law. You might not realize that some people hold very strong religious beliefs about marriage, something the vast majority of Americans historically had, and for this reason gays previously generally only had something called a civil union prior to 2015.
- fortyseven 5y ago
  "You might not realize that some people hold very strong religious beliefs about marriage..." Fuck 'em.
- drxzcl 5y ago
  There are a lot of Mozilla developers and users that are directly harmed by legislation like this or are close to people that are directly harmed. “You might not realize” that these people also hold very strong beliefs about this. He displayed extremely poor judgement. The fact that it was a personal donation does not exempt him from accountability.
  - spaghettiandm 5y ago
    Why is donating to a cause you believe in extremely poor judgement? > “You might not realize” The tone of my post wasn't the friendliest it could have been I agree, but I get really annoyed when people imply that those who believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, which from a Christian perspective is very clear, are evil.
    - suriyaG 5y ago
      I think, the point where this logic misses is when somebody, with such christian belief, actively goes out and tries to vilify and fight against those who get married in a way that they disagree with.
      - spaghettiandm 5y ago
        Like the other commentor said, I think it's not about the people themselves as much as it is about the institution of marriage. I think that even the people who hold flags saying God hates fags aren't against civil unions.
        oorza 5y ago
        > I think that even the people who hold flags saying God hates fags aren't against civil unions. That's hilariously naive. There's tens of thousands of victims of hate crimes for merely existing as LGTBQIA+ people. You think someone's okay with a civil union while they're lynching a gay man? Get the fuck out of here with this oppressor-forgiving rewriting of history. I was there, I lived it, this is total bullshit.
hawski 5y ago
It is indeed sad. Regarding standard discussion patters I see it often. I imagine sometimes a pinned comment that would outline those. Along with all the usual corrections and corrections to those corrections.
- jpfed 5y ago
  See, this is why deadhorse.com should exist and do the thing that I outlined here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/bg8vc/what_website_do_you_wish_existed/c0mn6rr/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/bg8vc/what_websi...
BuckRogers 5y ago
They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave. I disagree with some of his assumed views, as you never know until you actually speak with someone directly. Could be any number of motivations. I supported Biden not because I disagreed with a lot of what Trump did, but because I felt he was a toxic agent to the republic. Is that anti-Trump? Yes and no. And I may be the last person in existence that supports Eich's right to express them in any way he chooses. If that causes social backlash by a bunch of sensitive people that's fine, but I think there's a majority that get no press, who like me, never had it impact my view of Eich. I see no connection to the projects he has or does work on. "Anti-masker" is broad as well. I don't think based on the science, that masks make sense for young children. I do support them for adults, indoors at least. Is that an anti-masker? It's called nuance. A concept lost in society today. After ~19 years on Firefox I moved to Microsoft Edge and only Edge fulltime in August and love it. So I couldn't care less about FF vs Brave.
qwerty2021 5y ago
cool strawman, bro.

option_greek 5y ago

If I could pin your comment on all threads related to Firefox, I would. All this whining is what will finally do Firefox in.

evilos 5y ago
We really don't deserve Firefox. I'm really glad they are still kicking.

spaghettiandm 5y ago

>-"Mozilla is run by a bunch of SJW idiots because they ran their CEO off. So now I run Brave." (I had to look into this, as I wasn't paying attention at the time. They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave.) It wasn't a hill to die on, it was a private donation from his private bank account as a private person. The funding page got leaked and people saw that he donated. And it wasn't removing the right for gays to marry, it was to keep the proposal from becoming a law. You might not realize that some people hold very strong religious beliefs about marriage, something the vast majority of Americans historically had, and for this reason gays previously generally only had something called a civil union prior to 2015.

fortyseven 5y ago
"You might not realize that some people hold very strong religious beliefs about marriage..." Fuck 'em.
drxzcl 5y ago
There are a lot of Mozilla developers and users that are directly harmed by legislation like this or are close to people that are directly harmed. “You might not realize” that these people also hold very strong beliefs about this. He displayed extremely poor judgement. The fact that it was a personal donation does not exempt him from accountability.
- spaghettiandm 5y ago
  Why is donating to a cause you believe in extremely poor judgement? > “You might not realize” The tone of my post wasn't the friendliest it could have been I agree, but I get really annoyed when people imply that those who believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, which from a Christian perspective is very clear, are evil.
  - suriyaG 5y ago
    I think, the point where this logic misses is when somebody, with such christian belief, actively goes out and tries to vilify and fight against those who get married in a way that they disagree with.
    - spaghettiandm 5y ago
      Like the other commentor said, I think it's not about the people themselves as much as it is about the institution of marriage. I think that even the people who hold flags saying God hates fags aren't against civil unions.
      - oorza 5y ago
        > I think that even the people who hold flags saying God hates fags aren't against civil unions. That's hilariously naive. There's tens of thousands of victims of hate crimes for merely existing as LGTBQIA+ people. You think someone's okay with a civil union while they're lynching a gay man? Get the fuck out of here with this oppressor-forgiving rewriting of history. I was there, I lived it, this is total bullshit.

hawski 5y ago

It is indeed sad. Regarding standard discussion patters I see it often. I imagine sometimes a pinned comment that would outline those. Along with all the usual corrections and corrections to those corrections.

jpfed 5y ago
See, this is why deadhorse.com should exist and do the thing that I outlined here: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/bg8vc/what_website_do_you_wish_existed/c0mn6rr/?context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/bg8vc/what_websi...

BuckRogers 5y ago

They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave. I disagree with some of his assumed views, as you never know until you actually speak with someone directly. Could be any number of motivations. I supported Biden not because I disagreed with a lot of what Trump did, but because I felt he was a toxic agent to the republic. Is that anti-Trump? Yes and no. And I may be the last person in existence that supports Eich's right to express them in any way he chooses. If that causes social backlash by a bunch of sensitive people that's fine, but I think there's a majority that get no press, who like me, never had it impact my view of Eich. I see no connection to the projects he has or does work on. "Anti-masker" is broad as well. I don't think based on the science, that masks make sense for young children. I do support them for adults, indoors at least. Is that an anti-masker? It's called nuance. A concept lost in society today. After ~19 years on Firefox I moved to Microsoft Edge and only Edge fulltime in August and love it. So I couldn't care less about FF vs Brave.

qwerty2021 5y ago

cool strawman, bro.