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Ignoring the lack of faith to the source material: It's bad.. the dialogue, conflict, etc., are far below the levels we've come to expect in sci-fi shows like

Ignoring the lack of faith to the source material: It's bad.. the dialogue, conflict, etc., are far below the levels we've come to expect in sci-fi shows like Expanse. This is a complete waste of Jared Harris' talents. In the last episode, the resolution of his incomplete download was dramatized by a bit more screaming, then he was all good. It doesn't feel elevated or sophisticated at all... it does look very pretty. But it's not even representative of itself -- they keep talking about "trillions" of people here and there, and the new Book of Boba Fett does a better job of selling large population centers than Foundation ever does. Also, my son made a point about the "unfilmable" books, which are a lot of dialogue: aren't most cop and lawyer shows mostly a lot of talk, usually in just a few common settings?

ASalazarMX 5y ago
> my son made a point about the "unfilmable" books, which are a lot of dialogue I'm still surprised about how slow they can make an hour-long episode. Between fistfights, face closeups and gratuitous sex scenes and drama, barely anything advances. It's following the Star Trek Discovery formula but in slow motion.
pier25 5y ago
I agree. I don't care about the books and stopped watching mid season. The production impressed me for the first episode and then it was very bland and boring. There is no drama, nothing that caught my attention. It feels like watching a boring documentary.
zarkov99 5y ago
It is horrible. And you could predict it was going to be horrible as soon as you saw the obvious distortions caused by Woke nonsense: gender swap of not one, but two of the central characters, the not so subtle hints at the horrible religious fanatic and climate change denying people who so oppressed poor Gaal, etc. Apple's Foundation follow the familiar Hollywood woke playbook: do not create new stories, because of course that would require actual creative talent, instead correct (maybe desecrate is a better term) old great stories to comply to SJW messaging. The new Dune is another example but Villeneuve actually has talent, and though he did pay the Woke vig, which is sad, he managed to appease the lunatics without impacting the story too much. I guess that is the best we can expect from Hollywood these days.
handrous 5y ago
> Also, my son made a point about the "unfilmable" books, which are a lot of dialogue: aren't most cop and lawyer shows mostly a lot of talk, usually in just a few common settings? Nah, consisting mostly of dialogue doesn't make something unfilmable. That description applies to tons of good movies. "Unfilmable" becomes a possibility when there's little way to show anything, other than having characters speak infodumps at the audience. Even dialog-heavy movies need to show you things, even if it's just the physical movement and reactions of characters during the dialogue, or items about the room.
- browningstreet 5y ago
  Not sure what we're disagreeing about -- shows like Suits and Billions are very much two people talking, one of those people talking to someone else, first two people talking again, expand... Mandalorian has shown how little of a set is required to keep actors busy.
  - handrous 5y ago
    Ah, I misread that your son had claimed dialog-heavy things might be unfilmable and that you'd disagreed based on all the successful dialog-heavy filmed media the exists. The "nah" was a result of that misunderstanding, but was still intended to agree with you, if that makes sense. Sorry about that.
- adolph 5y ago
  > just the physical movement and reactions of characters during the dialogue I love how old Spike Lee films would have people talk while "walking" down a street but they wouldn't really walk, just stand there and talk as the background moves by just like the way it feels to have a good conversation while walking. https://www.andsoitbeginsfilms.com/2013/03/breaking-down-spike-lee-double-dolly.html https://www.andsoitbeginsfilms.com/2013/03/breaking-down-spi...
TheTrotters 5y ago
Exactly. There’s a lot of wishful thinking that the show is criticized because it deviates from the books. No, the show simply isn’t good. It suffers from the Netflix Disease. High production quality, painfully mediocre writing.

ASalazarMX 5y ago

> my son made a point about the "unfilmable" books, which are a lot of dialogue I'm still surprised about how slow they can make an hour-long episode. Between fistfights, face closeups and gratuitous sex scenes and drama, barely anything advances. It's following the Star Trek Discovery formula but in slow motion.

pier25 5y ago

I agree. I don't care about the books and stopped watching mid season. The production impressed me for the first episode and then it was very bland and boring. There is no drama, nothing that caught my attention. It feels like watching a boring documentary.

zarkov99 5y ago

It is horrible. And you could predict it was going to be horrible as soon as you saw the obvious distortions caused by Woke nonsense: gender swap of not one, but two of the central characters, the not so subtle hints at the horrible religious fanatic and climate change denying people who so oppressed poor Gaal, etc. Apple's Foundation follow the familiar Hollywood woke playbook: do not create new stories, because of course that would require actual creative talent, instead correct (maybe desecrate is a better term) old great stories to comply to SJW messaging. The new Dune is another example but Villeneuve actually has talent, and though he did pay the Woke vig, which is sad, he managed to appease the lunatics without impacting the story too much. I guess that is the best we can expect from Hollywood these days.

handrous 5y ago

> Also, my son made a point about the "unfilmable" books, which are a lot of dialogue: aren't most cop and lawyer shows mostly a lot of talk, usually in just a few common settings? Nah, consisting mostly of dialogue doesn't make something unfilmable. That description applies to tons of good movies. "Unfilmable" becomes a possibility when there's little way to show anything, other than having characters speak infodumps at the audience. Even dialog-heavy movies need to show you things, even if it's just the physical movement and reactions of characters during the dialogue, or items about the room.

browningstreet 5y ago
Not sure what we're disagreeing about -- shows like Suits and Billions are very much two people talking, one of those people talking to someone else, first two people talking again, expand... Mandalorian has shown how little of a set is required to keep actors busy.
- handrous 5y ago
  Ah, I misread that your son had claimed dialog-heavy things might be unfilmable and that you'd disagreed based on all the successful dialog-heavy filmed media the exists. The "nah" was a result of that misunderstanding, but was still intended to agree with you, if that makes sense. Sorry about that.
adolph 5y ago
> just the physical movement and reactions of characters during the dialogue I love how old Spike Lee films would have people talk while "walking" down a street but they wouldn't really walk, just stand there and talk as the background moves by just like the way it feels to have a good conversation while walking. https://www.andsoitbeginsfilms.com/2013/03/breaking-down-spike-lee-double-dolly.html https://www.andsoitbeginsfilms.com/2013/03/breaking-down-spi...

TheTrotters 5y ago

Exactly. There’s a lot of wishful thinking that the show is criticized because it deviates from the books. No, the show simply isn’t good. It suffers from the Netflix Disease. High production quality, painfully mediocre writing.