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My God, this thread turned into a cesspool of whining, bitching and utter negativity to what seems like a great update. How about we praise the positives as we

My God, this thread turned into a cesspool of whining, bitching and utter negativity to what seems like a great update. How about we praise the positives as well? They listed a slew of performance improvements and a battery usage improvement on macOS. Firefox team: keep it up.

toastercat 5y ago
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jitl 5y ago
I agree. It's an outstanding achievement that Firefox remains competitive with Chrome - and even exceeds it - given the disparity of resources between Mozilla and Google. The Firefox community also tends to be more responsive on their bugtracker than the Chrome/Chromium team. (seriously, great work y'all) (also, they've even caught up to Chrome in version numbers! joke)
- peakaboo 5y ago
  I think Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome. I mean once you tried container tabs with a different session and cookie store for each tab... It's just amazing. Also no Google in my browser is a huge plus.
- calvinmorrison 5y ago
  I'm fairly certain Google just pays Mozilla money to avoid any claims about being a monopoly browser.
  - dangoor 5y ago
    My understanding (with the caveat that I worked for Mozilla a decade ago) is that Google pays Mozilla and Apple money for browser search placement because it directly makes them money in ad revenue. Someone put the numbers into a spreadsheet and said "yeah, it works."
542458 5y ago
Agreed! A browser engine is a horrifically complicated piece of tech, and unfortunately nobody wants to pay a cent for their browser software. The fact that we have an “independent” browser at all is amazing! Sure, everybody has their pet peeves, but overall I think the Firefox project is great. I switched off chrome a few years back, and have been a happy user ever since.
- EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 5y ago
  I can proudly announce that I did pay cold hard cash for my browser software! $49.90 for a Netscape Navigator box back in 1996 :)
iyn 5y ago
Thank you for voicing this perspective! I've switched to Firefox ~3-4 years ago and I've seen considerable progress (on multiple platforms). I'm really grateful that we - internet users - have a great alternative to corporate-backed browsers (Chrome, Edge, Safari). Thanks Firefox team!
- EastOfTruth 5y ago
  Massive regression on Firefox Mobile... they block 99% of extensions nowadays (only about 12 out of thousands are allowed).
  - gildas 5y ago
    You can install other extensions by using Firefox Nightly [1] which is quite stable actually. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extension-support-in-firefox-for-android-nightly/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extensio...
    - EastOfTruth 5y ago
      Why do you need to create a collection? I was happy when all extensions was the only collection. And this has been in Nightly for about a year.. when is it coming to stable? (those questions aren't really questions, it just looks like Mozilla is trying to make extensions go away)
      - gildas 5y ago
        I agree. However, as an extension author, I was happy to hear that the work I put into making it compatible with Android didn't go to waste after all. Still better than nothing.
    - anonymousab 5y ago
      The Collections process is very cumbersome, and I've found that the Collections pages are a bit buggy - for instance, the adding-to-a-collection part uses a separate search bar that doesn't even find a large swath of store extensions for some reason. It works, but is a decidedly poor experience.
LarryDarrell 5y ago
I groan whenever I see a Firefox post on the front page. -"X moved Y pixels making Firefox UNUSABLE! So now I use Brave." -"Mozilla is run by a bunch of SJW idiots because they ran their CEO off. So now I run Brave." (I had to look into this, as I wasn't paying attention at the time. They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave.) -"My precious browser workflow was completely dependent on the interaction of 156 distinct XUL extensions so now I use Brave." -"something, something, Mr. Robot." (that, like everything, you can turn off) -"Ads in the address bar!" (that, like everything, you can turn off) -"They take money from Google!" (Hey, free money, since everyone either switches to DGG or were going to use Google anyway.) There are real criticisms you can make of Firefox/Mozilla. But on the whole, for the general user, none of them are grounds for moving to a Chromium based browser out of spite.
- option_greek 5y ago
  If I could pin your comment on all threads related to Firefox, I would. All this whining is what will finally do Firefox in.
  - evilos 5y ago
    We really don't deserve Firefox. I'm really glad they are still kicking.
- spaghettiandm 5y ago
  >-"Mozilla is run by a bunch of SJW idiots because they ran their CEO off. So now I run Brave." (I had to look into this, as I wasn't paying attention at the time. They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave.) It wasn't a hill to die on, it was a private donation from his private bank account as a private person. The funding page got leaked and people saw that he donated. And it wasn't removing the right for gays to marry, it was to keep the proposal from becoming a law. You might not realize that some people hold very strong religious beliefs about marriage, something the vast majority of Americans historically had, and for this reason gays previously generally only had something called a civil union prior to 2015.
throw10920 5y ago
How about we avoid making sweeping overgeneralizations in an emotionally-manipulative way to try to guilt-trip others into making positive comments, and actually address the points that the other comments made? This comment is rather anti-intellectual, and I'd much rather see the "cesspool of whining, bitching and utter negativity" that has actual thought put behind it than something empty and meaningless (actually, worse: something underhanded) like this.

toastercat 5y ago

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jitl 5y ago

I agree. It's an outstanding achievement that Firefox remains competitive with Chrome - and even exceeds it - given the disparity of resources between Mozilla and Google. The Firefox community also tends to be more responsive on their bugtracker than the Chrome/Chromium team. (seriously, great work y'all) (also, they've even caught up to Chrome in version numbers! joke)

peakaboo 5y ago
I think Firefox is a much better browser than Chrome. I mean once you tried container tabs with a different session and cookie store for each tab... It's just amazing. Also no Google in my browser is a huge plus.
calvinmorrison 5y ago
I'm fairly certain Google just pays Mozilla money to avoid any claims about being a monopoly browser.
- dangoor 5y ago
  My understanding (with the caveat that I worked for Mozilla a decade ago) is that Google pays Mozilla and Apple money for browser search placement because it directly makes them money in ad revenue. Someone put the numbers into a spreadsheet and said "yeah, it works."

542458 5y ago

Agreed! A browser engine is a horrifically complicated piece of tech, and unfortunately nobody wants to pay a cent for their browser software. The fact that we have an “independent” browser at all is amazing! Sure, everybody has their pet peeves, but overall I think the Firefox project is great. I switched off chrome a few years back, and have been a happy user ever since.

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK 5y ago
I can proudly announce that I did pay cold hard cash for my browser software! $49.90 for a Netscape Navigator box back in 1996 :)

iyn 5y ago

Thank you for voicing this perspective! I've switched to Firefox ~3-4 years ago and I've seen considerable progress (on multiple platforms). I'm really grateful that we - internet users - have a great alternative to corporate-backed browsers (Chrome, Edge, Safari). Thanks Firefox team!

EastOfTruth 5y ago
Massive regression on Firefox Mobile... they block 99% of extensions nowadays (only about 12 out of thousands are allowed).
- gildas 5y ago
  You can install other extensions by using Firefox Nightly [1] which is quite stable actually. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extension-support-in-firefox-for-android-nightly/ https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2020/09/29/expanded-extensio...
  - EastOfTruth 5y ago
    Why do you need to create a collection? I was happy when all extensions was the only collection. And this has been in Nightly for about a year.. when is it coming to stable? (those questions aren't really questions, it just looks like Mozilla is trying to make extensions go away)
    - gildas 5y ago
      I agree. However, as an extension author, I was happy to hear that the work I put into making it compatible with Android didn't go to waste after all. Still better than nothing.
  - anonymousab 5y ago
    The Collections process is very cumbersome, and I've found that the Collections pages are a bit buggy - for instance, the adding-to-a-collection part uses a separate search bar that doesn't even find a large swath of store extensions for some reason. It works, but is a decidedly poor experience.

LarryDarrell 5y ago

I groan whenever I see a Firefox post on the front page. -"X moved Y pixels making Firefox UNUSABLE! So now I use Brave." -"Mozilla is run by a bunch of SJW idiots because they ran their CEO off. So now I run Brave." (I had to look into this, as I wasn't paying attention at the time. They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave.) -"My precious browser workflow was completely dependent on the interaction of 156 distinct XUL extensions so now I use Brave." -"something, something, Mr. Robot." (that, like everything, you can turn off) -"Ads in the address bar!" (that, like everything, you can turn off) -"They take money from Google!" (Hey, free money, since everyone either switches to DGG or were going to use Google anyway.) There are real criticisms you can make of Firefox/Mozilla. But on the whole, for the general user, none of them are grounds for moving to a Chromium based browser out of spite.

option_greek 5y ago
If I could pin your comment on all threads related to Firefox, I would. All this whining is what will finally do Firefox in.
- evilos 5y ago
  We really don't deserve Firefox. I'm really glad they are still kicking.
spaghettiandm 5y ago
>-"Mozilla is run by a bunch of SJW idiots because they ran their CEO off. So now I run Brave." (I had to look into this, as I wasn't paying attention at the time. They picked a new CEO who cared so passionately about removing the right of gay people to get married he even donated his own money to the cause. That was a dumb hill to die on. Now he's an anti-masker who actually runs Brave.) It wasn't a hill to die on, it was a private donation from his private bank account as a private person. The funding page got leaked and people saw that he donated. And it wasn't removing the right for gays to marry, it was to keep the proposal from becoming a law. You might not realize that some people hold very strong religious beliefs about marriage, something the vast majority of Americans historically had, and for this reason gays previously generally only had something called a civil union prior to 2015.

throw10920 5y ago

How about we avoid making sweeping overgeneralizations in an emotionally-manipulative way to try to guilt-trip others into making positive comments, and actually address the points that the other comments made? This comment is rather anti-intellectual, and I'd much rather see the "cesspool of whining, bitching and utter negativity" that has actual thought put behind it than something empty and meaningless (actually, worse: something underhanded) like this.