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This is old news, they already fixed it.

988747 5y ago
You mean: removed FSD? Because that's pretty much the only way to fix it.
simion314 5y ago
There is a chance that there are more bugs or next update brings new bugs, my issue is that you give fanboys Beta software and they put others at risk. If someone decides to install some beta OS on is laptop then I am fine but you put beta shit on random people cars? My solution is to have paid trained drivers to test this stuff and have someone from outside check all this updates, would you trust other car brands doing the exact same thing on public roads???
- spicybright 5y ago
  100%. If not for the good PR Tesla has, there would be a huge amount of upset if say, Ford did exactly the same. > My solution is to have paid trained drivers to test this stuff Why bother when you have people that will sacrifice themselves to QA for them. And pay them for the privilege to do so. We need some new laws...
  - keneda7 5y ago
    I'm a pretty big fan of Tesla in general but this aspect has always left me baffled. I am a software engineer and work on a system that is not 1/1000000th as critical as a self driving system. If my system crashes or has a bug no one is at risk of injury or death. Yet I would never dream of releasing an update or feature to our clients to test or QA. Our clients are paying us to give them a system that is tested and works. Its like Tesla has somehow convinced everyone that is no longer the norm and being tester/QA is part of the deal.
    - spicybright 5y ago
      I don't know all that much about the company itself. But would it be fair to say they follow "move fast break things" in general?
- sixQuarks 5y ago
  They do have paid drivers test before each rollout. This bug was not a FSD bug per se, it was related to when the car goes to sleep. Test drivers are constantly using the vehicle so it didn’t have time to go into sleep mode. It was an unknown unknown and will be checked in all future updates.
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
> “As Tesla is aware, the Safety Act imposes an obligation on manufacturers of motor vehicles and motor vehicle equipment to initiate a recall by notifying NHTSA when they determine vehicles or equipment they produced contain defects related to motor vehicle safety or do not comply with an applicable motor vehicle safety standard,” the agency wrote. Yeah, they fixed it, made an OTA update and said "Everything is fine". But the law says they need(ed) to issue a formal recall...
- f7f8rurjfi 5y ago
  What's it like being able to hold 2k karma despite being racist?
sidibe 5y ago
The fact that this rolled out at all is alarming. Big quickly noticeable regressions should be caught by some process internally before giving it to customers even if they are "beta testers", especially for safety critical stuff.

You mean: removed FSD? Because that's pretty much the only way to fix it.

There is a chance that there are more bugs or next update brings new bugs, my issue is that you give fanboys Beta software and they put others at risk. If someone decides to install some beta OS on is laptop then I am fine but you put beta shit on random people cars? My solution is to have paid trained drivers to test this stuff and have someone from outside check all this updates, would you trust other car brands doing the exact same thing on public roads???

spicybright 5y ago
100%. If not for the good PR Tesla has, there would be a huge amount of upset if say, Ford did exactly the same. > My solution is to have paid trained drivers to test this stuff Why bother when you have people that will sacrifice themselves to QA for them. And pay them for the privilege to do so. We need some new laws...
- keneda7 5y ago
  I'm a pretty big fan of Tesla in general but this aspect has always left me baffled. I am a software engineer and work on a system that is not 1/1000000th as critical as a self driving system. If my system crashes or has a bug no one is at risk of injury or death. Yet I would never dream of releasing an update or feature to our clients to test or QA. Our clients are paying us to give them a system that is tested and works. Its like Tesla has somehow convinced everyone that is no longer the norm and being tester/QA is part of the deal.
  - spicybright 5y ago
    I don't know all that much about the company itself. But would it be fair to say they follow "move fast break things" in general?
sixQuarks 5y ago
They do have paid drivers test before each rollout. This bug was not a FSD bug per se, it was related to when the car goes to sleep. Test drivers are constantly using the vehicle so it didn’t have time to go into sleep mode. It was an unknown unknown and will be checked in all future updates.

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

> “As Tesla is aware, the Safety Act imposes an obligation on manufacturers of motor vehicles and motor vehicle equipment to initiate a recall by notifying NHTSA when they determine vehicles or equipment they produced contain defects related to motor vehicle safety or do not comply with an applicable motor vehicle safety standard,” the agency wrote. Yeah, they fixed it, made an OTA update and said "Everything is fine". But the law says they need(ed) to issue a formal recall...

f7f8rurjfi 5y ago
What's it like being able to hold 2k karma despite being racist?

sidibe 5y ago

The fact that this rolled out at all is alarming. Big quickly noticeable regressions should be caught by some process internally before giving it to customers even if they are "beta testers", especially for safety critical stuff.