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Yes. It's also shrinking to be almost the only reason I run Firefox. I absolutely loathe the constant tinkering with UI and settings, they just can't seem to le

Yes. It's also shrinking to be almost the only reason I run Firefox. I absolutely loathe the constant tinkering with UI and settings, they just can't seem to leave stuff alone. The ghacks user.js does get rid of a lot of nuisances, but I also know some people also want to get rid of the user.js config option.

skinkestek 5y ago
I wonder if any of them read HN or feedback from the feedback page or anything?
- commoner 5y ago
  The "Submit feedback" menu entry now links to their ideas@mozilla platform, launched several months ago: https://mozilla.crowdicity.com https://mozilla.crowdicity.com They seem to be reading and considering some of the suggestions, though none have been implemented yet. - Most popular idea (819 votes): Compact Interface Option - https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/719764 https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/719764 - Most critical idea (in my opinion): Expand support for extensions for the stable android version - https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/723675 https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/723675
- BitwiseFool 5y ago
  I can't help but think the designers do not care. I'm guessing the UI/UX folks at Mozilla think only a loud minority of users are protesting the incessant redesigns. They probably look towards what Apple and Google do and believe they have to follow trends or be left behind. They also probably want to be seen as bold and innovative - so damn the metaphorical torpedoes, full speed ahead! Edit: The kind of feedback they're willing to accept is probably only barely impactful. Suggest going back to the old tab bar? Sorry, but you'll learn to love it and we aren't changing it. Suggest a slightly different shade of gray for the edge of the rounded tab bar? They might just take the suggestion. That kind of thing.
- denton-scratch 5y ago
  No, they only pay attention to feedback from their telemetry. HN users mostly disable telemetry, right?
  - bogwog 5y ago
    > No, they only pay attention to feedback from their telemetry If that's true, it probably explains why they're bleeding users. Why stick with a company that ignores your complaints?
  - skinkestek 5y ago
    I don't.
krzyk 5y ago
What UI changes? I run firefox nightly for ages and minor sizing changes are barely noticeable. The biggest change was moving of address bar lower and tabs higher.
- FriedrichN 5y ago
  Some that come to mind: * completely changing the settings UI; * the very annoying "present" icon that appears after updates; * constantly messing the address bar in how it works and what it searches; * constantly re-enabling stuff like searching in Amazon and Google; * changing the menu to the hamburger menu. There's probably more that I forgot. But it seems every two or three months or so I need to make effort to turn off some feature I don't want. Stuff like the stupid pocket functionality no one ever asked for.
- conradfr 5y ago
  Proton is not even six months old, surely you must remember.

skinkestek 5y ago

I wonder if any of them read HN or feedback from the feedback page or anything?

commoner 5y ago
The "Submit feedback" menu entry now links to their ideas@mozilla platform, launched several months ago: https://mozilla.crowdicity.com https://mozilla.crowdicity.com They seem to be reading and considering some of the suggestions, though none have been implemented yet. - Most popular idea (819 votes): Compact Interface Option - https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/719764 https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/719764 - Most critical idea (in my opinion): Expand support for extensions for the stable android version - https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/723675 https://mozilla.crowdicity.com/post/723675
BitwiseFool 5y ago
I can't help but think the designers do not care. I'm guessing the UI/UX folks at Mozilla think only a loud minority of users are protesting the incessant redesigns. They probably look towards what Apple and Google do and believe they have to follow trends or be left behind. They also probably want to be seen as bold and innovative - so damn the metaphorical torpedoes, full speed ahead! Edit: The kind of feedback they're willing to accept is probably only barely impactful. Suggest going back to the old tab bar? Sorry, but you'll learn to love it and we aren't changing it. Suggest a slightly different shade of gray for the edge of the rounded tab bar? They might just take the suggestion. That kind of thing.
denton-scratch 5y ago
No, they only pay attention to feedback from their telemetry. HN users mostly disable telemetry, right?
- bogwog 5y ago
  > No, they only pay attention to feedback from their telemetry If that's true, it probably explains why they're bleeding users. Why stick with a company that ignores your complaints?
- skinkestek 5y ago
  I don't.

krzyk 5y ago

What UI changes? I run firefox nightly for ages and minor sizing changes are barely noticeable. The biggest change was moving of address bar lower and tabs higher.

FriedrichN 5y ago
Some that come to mind: * completely changing the settings UI; * the very annoying "present" icon that appears after updates; * constantly messing the address bar in how it works and what it searches; * constantly re-enabling stuff like searching in Amazon and Google; * changing the menu to the hamburger menu. There's probably more that I forgot. But it seems every two or three months or so I need to make effort to turn off some feature I don't want. Stuff like the stupid pocket functionality no one ever asked for.
conradfr 5y ago
Proton is not even six months old, surely you must remember.