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Applications that feel entitled to resources after you tell them to go away lead me to move them into a VM just to contain all the crap and sprawl and bullshit.

by _jal 5y ago

Applications that feel entitled to resources after you tell them to go away lead me to move them into a VM just to contain all the crap and sprawl and bullshit. The number of apps in this category just keeps on growing. I'm starting to feel like I should just run Qubes.

LogonType10 5y ago
I'm also planning to make the switch. Do you know anyone who's tried Qubes? The finicky hardware requirements are intimidating.
- aaomidi 5y ago
  I use qubes for work. I don't like it.
  - LogonType10 5y ago
    What don't you like about it? I'd like to experience the drawbacks firsthand, but I don't have the hardware yet and Qubes can't be demoed in a VM.
    - assbuttbuttass 5y ago
      I ran qubes for a while. I found it to be slow and inconvenient. The idea is nice, but practically it's like running fedora except everything takes twice as long to start up.
    - aaomidi 5y ago
      It's inconvenient as fuck with a very specific security model that makes sense for my use case, but doesn't for most. But generally it's just annoying.
- yiukufkdu 5y ago
  I've used Qubes at home and at work for about a year now. I like it. It definitely requires thinking differently and sometimes simple things are less simple, but overall I feel it's worth it. It's rewarding to feel that you're in control. Some things I like: - Having password manager in a Qube(/VM) that cannot access the internet (and the VMs that can, are of course isolated from the password VM). - Logging out of your bank, and when they tell you to "clear your cache and cookies", you do one better and actually destroy the whole OS, because you opened the browser in a disposable VM. - Needing to attach the microphone (or camera) to a VM before it can be used. - Ability to have specific VMs' network go through a VPN/Tor. edit: oh yeah, and consider trying Qubes 4.1 release candidate, which could possibly have better hardware compatibility.
nextaccountic 5y ago
This is just for Windows. On Linux, Firefox doesn't self-update because distros already handle updates. When Firefox releases to Windows Store (https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/web-browsers/mozilla-firefox/257862/mozilla-firefox-is-coming-to-the-microsoft-store https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/web-browsers/mozilla-firefox/...) they will probably let Windows update it, and use this self-updater only for standalone installs.

by _jal 5y ago

LogonType10 5y ago

I'm also planning to make the switch. Do you know anyone who's tried Qubes? The finicky hardware requirements are intimidating.

aaomidi 5y ago
I use qubes for work. I don't like it.
- LogonType10 5y ago
  What don't you like about it? I'd like to experience the drawbacks firsthand, but I don't have the hardware yet and Qubes can't be demoed in a VM.
  - assbuttbuttass 5y ago
    I ran qubes for a while. I found it to be slow and inconvenient. The idea is nice, but practically it's like running fedora except everything takes twice as long to start up.
  - aaomidi 5y ago
    It's inconvenient as fuck with a very specific security model that makes sense for my use case, but doesn't for most. But generally it's just annoying.
yiukufkdu 5y ago
I've used Qubes at home and at work for about a year now. I like it. It definitely requires thinking differently and sometimes simple things are less simple, but overall I feel it's worth it. It's rewarding to feel that you're in control. Some things I like: - Having password manager in a Qube(/VM) that cannot access the internet (and the VMs that can, are of course isolated from the password VM). - Logging out of your bank, and when they tell you to "clear your cache and cookies", you do one better and actually destroy the whole OS, because you opened the browser in a disposable VM. - Needing to attach the microphone (or camera) to a VM before it can be used. - Ability to have specific VMs' network go through a VPN/Tor. edit: oh yeah, and consider trying Qubes 4.1 release candidate, which could possibly have better hardware compatibility.

nextaccountic 5y ago

This is just for Windows. On Linux, Firefox doesn't self-update because distros already handle updates. When Firefox releases to Windows Store (https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/web-browsers/mozilla-firefox/257862/mozilla-firefox-is-coming-to-the-microsoft-store https://www.thurrott.com/cloud/web-browsers/mozilla-firefox/...) they will probably let Windows update it, and use this self-updater only for standalone installs.