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> The opposite happened. “Nobody became more moderate,” said Bail. “Republicans in particular became much more conservative when they followed the Democratic bo
by _ktx2 5y ago
> The opposite happened. “Nobody became more moderate,” said Bail. “Republicans in particular became much more conservative when they followed the Democratic bot, and Democrats became a little bit more liberal.”
This is accurate of right wingers, but it skimps on an observation I've noticed. As polarization increases, liberals become more tolerant of their own extremists. Most Democrats I've known throughout my life owned guns, valued the principle of free speech, would never get caught putting down an entire class of people, etc yet all of these are common views to, in some way, argue against as a Democrat these days.
One could argue it's the popularity of progressivism and how it's cultural values are now eroding the average Democrats, but I'm not quite sold on that idea. My pet theory has been that "own the libs" builds tolerance for extreme views because they further agitate the right, so it was interesting to see them highlight the rights agitation with the left. For now, I'll stick to calling myself an independent until all of this blows over and we can go back to having beers instead of talking about politics and our "values" for entertainment.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoWhat is a right winger? What do libertarians, neoconservatives, and fundamental Christians agree with? The only way I’d classify them is non left, but not at all unified.
- _ktx2 5y agoAgreed, I was bucketing for simplicity and that's probably not optimal for consensus. For the sake of this conversation I'd box it as left and non-left. There probably is some distinction among non-left groups though. I came from Libertarianism and it hardly relates to the right besides depending on it for structural support. Being a Democrat with some progressive political beliefs puts you in a similar bucket. Unfortunately the nature of politics is winner takes all, which has historically made me odd bed-fellows in politics.
- GhettoComputers 5y agoSome places are working on ranked choice voting also called condorcet, but its happening slowly. I do not participate at all since it has no effect in large population areas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method
- darthvoldemort 5y agoLibertarians are absolutely not neoconservatives or fundamental Christians. That's like comparing a Democrat with Antifa.