> You are arguing based on the assumption that capitalism is the essence of life and nothing can be done without it. No, I'm arguing based on the assumption th

> You are arguing based on the assumption that capitalism is the essence of life and nothing can be done without it. No, I'm arguing based on the assumption that a LOT of countries ARE capitalistic. And recognizing that fact and designing things to work within that framework is a reasonable approach. > if we lived in a fair society everyone would be well-off no matter what imaginary numbers (money and markets) have decided for them today. But we don't. And we never will. Period. Full stop. Human nature doesn't work that way. I can't even see a way that you can argue that it does with a straight face. Even if there were no bad people (and there will always be bad people), there's always luck/randomness coming into play. Life is not an can not be fair. The best we can hope for it to make it as far as we can, and mitigate the cases where it isn't.