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Yes, and this is why I do not understand why this exists in the first place. Either you tick a mark and you get extra points, no questions asked - or you are s

Yes, and this is why I do not understand why this exists in the first place. Either you tick a mark and you get extra points, no questions asked - or you are subject to someone's appreciation and it does not matter if there are points or not because that person would have been positive or negative to your origins anyway. If you go for subjective - there is planty of that anyway everywhere in the world (and as you said, good luck proving that you were discriminated)

angelzen 5y ago
One of the points is to create social coordination. I know that you know that everybody knows that there are too many / too few Xs in this institution, keep that in mind when the next X shows up at the door with an application in their hand. This even turns into a linguistic battle of sorts, see, e.g. "How the Asians became white" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/29/how-the-asians-became-white https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...
- BrandoElFollito 5y ago
  This is the case everywhere in the world. Then when X comes, the jury/hiring manager/... look at them, their skin color, sex, social provenance, name and, in their minds, know that X is supposed to be given less or more weight. There is no need to have "race" in a form for this discrimination to work, it is as you said an informal message. Or a formal one, but then one has to play the game and add extra formal points to the applicant. If they do not play the game, we are back to the informal, subjective discrimination I mentioned at the beginning. EDIT: your link in a nice example of the craziness, indeed.
  - angelzen 5y ago
    One of the hardest things to internalize in life for someone possibly on the spectrum (look what site we are having this conversation on) is that people don't care what is right, they care what other people think it's right. Nobody got fired for buying IBM and all that.

angelzen 5y ago

One of the points is to create social coordination. I know that you know that everybody knows that there are too many / too few Xs in this institution, keep that in mind when the next X shows up at the door with an application in their hand. This even turns into a linguistic battle of sorts, see, e.g. "How the Asians became white" https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/05/29/how-the-asians-became-white https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...

BrandoElFollito 5y ago
This is the case everywhere in the world. Then when X comes, the jury/hiring manager/... look at them, their skin color, sex, social provenance, name and, in their minds, know that X is supposed to be given less or more weight. There is no need to have "race" in a form for this discrimination to work, it is as you said an informal message. Or a formal one, but then one has to play the game and add extra formal points to the applicant. If they do not play the game, we are back to the informal, subjective discrimination I mentioned at the beginning. EDIT: your link in a nice example of the craziness, indeed.
- angelzen 5y ago
  One of the hardest things to internalize in life for someone possibly on the spectrum (look what site we are having this conversation on) is that people don't care what is right, they care what other people think it's right. Nobody got fired for buying IBM and all that.