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Tipu Sultan was a cruel ruler, and got soundly defeated by a superior, well supplied force despite Tipu having access to rockets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki

Tipu Sultan was a cruel ruler, and got soundly defeated by a superior, well supplied force despite Tipu having access to rockets. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Mysore_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Mysore_Wars What is this treachery you are talking about ?

saimiam 5y ago
The link you supplied makes no mention of Tipu Sultan being a cruel ruler. Even Tipu Sultan's own wiki page @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipu_Sultan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipu_Sultan does not contain the word 'cruel'. Not sure how to read your comment but this is what I found.
- naruvimama 5y ago
  Tipu like his contemporary Islamic rulers carried out frequent massacres of Hindus. Perhaps because it was too common among the islamic rulers that it is often not considered unique enough to Tipu. There has also been plenty of whitewashingg of both Islamic & colonial-christian history under a "secular independent India". But social media is starting to open up alternative voices, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLMjUk9utaU&t=75s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLMjUk9utaU&t=75s
  - pkd 5y ago
    Claims about Tipu Sultan's "cruelty" come primarily from English "scholars" who were actually fighting against him. It was a well-known policy of the British to portray their enemies as tyrants to gather legitimacy for their warmongering. Any such claims should be taken with a massive dollop of salt. I'm surprised how many of these "alternative voices" reject western narratives about India but are all too happy to parrot colonial talking points about Muslims.
    - naruvimama 5y ago
      Islamic colonisation is real and no less cruel that the European one. Indian muslims are still largely colonised and therefore the partition of India and the massacre of millions of Hindus even as recently as 1971 in Bangladesh. It is indeed sad to see that Indian muslims today continue to associate themselves with the islamic conquerors who had raped, killed and/or forced their ancestors to convert. The whitewashing of Islamic tyranny in India is so obvious that even children do not accept it as it is taught in schools.
      - teleforce 5y ago
        Please provide valid and reliable references for the alleged massacre of millions of Hindu. Before Islam arrived at Mysore it was ruled by Chola dynasty [1]. This Chola dynasty cruelly attacked, murdered and conquered their South East Asian neighbours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty
        kamaal 5y ago
        I think the parent's argument is more on the lines on whose politics he considers good and whose politics he considers evil. This is just standard 'holier than thou' talk. Every empire, nation or country ever established had to go through wars, that's just how it is. Because the existing political powers aren't exactly going welcome new political masters with roses and jasmine. But when it's you waging wars it's for the good, when others do it, it's always evil of course.
        naruvimama 5y ago
        You should read my comment carefully. I am talking about the 3 million hindus killed in Bangladesh in 1971 by Islamists. We have had a recent genocide of 300+ Hindus in Bangladesh as we speak during the recent durga pooja.
        saimiam 5y ago
        While even one unnatural death is one too many, calling every riot a "genocide" devalues the term. If 300+ is genocide, I really hope you spoke up loud and clear when Hindu rioters killed 2000+ Muslims in Gujarat when our current Prime Minister was that state's chief minister. Also, Wiki says that the Bangladesh liberation war led to the deaths of between 2-3 million people including Hindus. Not sure from where you got that 3 million Hindus were killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide At this point, I feel you're just enjoying the attention you are getting on this comment thread by simply throwing around incendiary, fact free assertions.
    - lazyninja987 5y ago
      We dont need english historians to show how psycopath tipu was. Tipu issued many decree's claiming how he converted lakhs of hindus, and describing in detail what he will do to people who didn't convert. In some cases, going into detail on how the non-believers will be striken down like moses struck the pharoahs. "I'm surprised how many of these "alternative voices" reject western narratives about India but are all too happy to parrot colonial talking points about Muslims." The same can be said about you, Indians dont talk trash about qutub shahi's, who are just & kind. But, when the topic of aurangazeb and tipu's cruelty comes up, gets triggered with out looking at evidence.
- lazyninja987 5y ago
  Tipu's wikipedia page has been so whitewashed even caucasians are jealous of it. Tipu relocated men of kodagu to various corners of his empire, so that they wont fight him erasing their identity, converted all wives and daughters of these kodagu fighters and distributed among his army like livestock. he rounded up thousands of mangalore christians apparently for no reason, and kept them as slaves under appalling conditions for over 10 years until most of them converted. Post his death, whoever held through this torture were liberated by british army. The reason why they were held captive? Tipu felt like it & since they are not muslims, they deserve this treatment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captivity_of_Mangalorean_Catholics_at_Seringapatam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captivity_of_Mangalorean_Catho... British may be conniving, once british looted you, they would leave you & your culture alone. Tipu on the other hand, will kill you, rape your women, wipe out of your culture. So, its no wonder kodagu people silently supported british in their fight with tipu.
Guessnotgauss 5y ago
From the first Amazon book I could find on India "Britain held back political progress in India for as long as possible – a policy which led to unimaginable chaos and suffering when independence was granted, and which created a legacy of hatred and distrust that continues to this day. " Ever heard the saying "divde and conquer" its an Roman saying(?) but the British used this tactic often during their colonialism. Their oppression in the region goes much deeper, you can read up on it since there are many books.
- naruvimama 5y ago
  The strength of a nation is decided by the weakest link, political weakness (and correctness) provided an opportunity to political forces backed by religious fanaticism. This applies to both Islamic as well as Christian colonisation. It does not not make one necessarily better than the other when it comes to native people. To those objecting to the later, a little bit of study will show that the doctrine of christian discovery was the primary driver and that the missionaries were not only the scouts but also enthusiastically took part in all forms of colonialism including the slave trade.
kamaal 5y ago
>>What is this treachery you are talking about ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purnaiah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purnaiah The British simply bribed this guy onto their side. He really was more like Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurice_de_Talleyrand-P%C3%A9rigord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurice_de_Talleyrand-... I wouldn't really call this treachery, In fact I wouldn't even call Jaichand a traitor or anything. The are often over simplistic narratives of deeply complicated situations.
fmajid 5y ago
> What is this treachery you are talking about ? In the second battle of Seringapatnam, the British suborned Mir Sadiq, Tipu's chief vizier. He deliberately withdrew his troops from the section of the curtain wall the British breached. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Seringapatam_(1799)#The_breach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Seringapatam_(1799)#T... Mysoreans still remember to this day the Nizam of Hyderabad's craven assistance to the British, and you could argue that was another form of treachery.

saimiam 5y ago

The link you supplied makes no mention of Tipu Sultan being a cruel ruler. Even Tipu Sultan's own wiki page @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipu_Sultan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tipu_Sultan does not contain the word 'cruel'. Not sure how to read your comment but this is what I found.

naruvimama 5y ago
Tipu like his contemporary Islamic rulers carried out frequent massacres of Hindus. Perhaps because it was too common among the islamic rulers that it is often not considered unique enough to Tipu. There has also been plenty of whitewashingg of both Islamic & colonial-christian history under a "secular independent India". But social media is starting to open up alternative voices, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLMjUk9utaU&t=75s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLMjUk9utaU&t=75s
- pkd 5y ago
  Claims about Tipu Sultan's "cruelty" come primarily from English "scholars" who were actually fighting against him. It was a well-known policy of the British to portray their enemies as tyrants to gather legitimacy for their warmongering. Any such claims should be taken with a massive dollop of salt. I'm surprised how many of these "alternative voices" reject western narratives about India but are all too happy to parrot colonial talking points about Muslims.
  - naruvimama 5y ago
    Islamic colonisation is real and no less cruel that the European one. Indian muslims are still largely colonised and therefore the partition of India and the massacre of millions of Hindus even as recently as 1971 in Bangladesh. It is indeed sad to see that Indian muslims today continue to associate themselves with the islamic conquerors who had raped, killed and/or forced their ancestors to convert. The whitewashing of Islamic tyranny in India is so obvious that even children do not accept it as it is taught in schools.
    - teleforce 5y ago
      Please provide valid and reliable references for the alleged massacre of millions of Hindu. Before Islam arrived at Mysore it was ruled by Chola dynasty [1]. This Chola dynasty cruelly attacked, murdered and conquered their South East Asian neighbours. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chola_dynasty
      - kamaal 5y ago
        I think the parent's argument is more on the lines on whose politics he considers good and whose politics he considers evil. This is just standard 'holier than thou' talk. Every empire, nation or country ever established had to go through wars, that's just how it is. Because the existing political powers aren't exactly going welcome new political masters with roses and jasmine. But when it's you waging wars it's for the good, when others do it, it's always evil of course.
      - naruvimama 5y ago
        You should read my comment carefully. I am talking about the 3 million hindus killed in Bangladesh in 1971 by Islamists. We have had a recent genocide of 300+ Hindus in Bangladesh as we speak during the recent durga pooja.
        saimiam 5y ago
        While even one unnatural death is one too many, calling every riot a "genocide" devalues the term. If 300+ is genocide, I really hope you spoke up loud and clear when Hindu rioters killed 2000+ Muslims in Gujarat when our current Prime Minister was that state's chief minister. Also, Wiki says that the Bangladesh liberation war led to the deaths of between 2-3 million people including Hindus. Not sure from where you got that 3 million Hindus were killed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1971_Bangladesh_genocide At this point, I feel you're just enjoying the attention you are getting on this comment thread by simply throwing around incendiary, fact free assertions.
  - lazyninja987 5y ago
    We dont need english historians to show how psycopath tipu was. Tipu issued many decree's claiming how he converted lakhs of hindus, and describing in detail what he will do to people who didn't convert. In some cases, going into detail on how the non-believers will be striken down like moses struck the pharoahs. "I'm surprised how many of these "alternative voices" reject western narratives about India but are all too happy to parrot colonial talking points about Muslims." The same can be said about you, Indians dont talk trash about qutub shahi's, who are just & kind. But, when the topic of aurangazeb and tipu's cruelty comes up, gets triggered with out looking at evidence.
lazyninja987 5y ago
Tipu's wikipedia page has been so whitewashed even caucasians are jealous of it. Tipu relocated men of kodagu to various corners of his empire, so that they wont fight him erasing their identity, converted all wives and daughters of these kodagu fighters and distributed among his army like livestock. he rounded up thousands of mangalore christians apparently for no reason, and kept them as slaves under appalling conditions for over 10 years until most of them converted. Post his death, whoever held through this torture were liberated by british army. The reason why they were held captive? Tipu felt like it & since they are not muslims, they deserve this treatment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captivity_of_Mangalorean_Catholics_at_Seringapatam https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captivity_of_Mangalorean_Catho... British may be conniving, once british looted you, they would leave you & your culture alone. Tipu on the other hand, will kill you, rape your women, wipe out of your culture. So, its no wonder kodagu people silently supported british in their fight with tipu.

Guessnotgauss 5y ago

From the first Amazon book I could find on India "Britain held back political progress in India for as long as possible – a policy which led to unimaginable chaos and suffering when independence was granted, and which created a legacy of hatred and distrust that continues to this day. " Ever heard the saying "divde and conquer" its an Roman saying(?) but the British used this tactic often during their colonialism. Their oppression in the region goes much deeper, you can read up on it since there are many books.

naruvimama 5y ago
The strength of a nation is decided by the weakest link, political weakness (and correctness) provided an opportunity to political forces backed by religious fanaticism. This applies to both Islamic as well as Christian colonisation. It does not not make one necessarily better than the other when it comes to native people. To those objecting to the later, a little bit of study will show that the doctrine of christian discovery was the primary driver and that the missionaries were not only the scouts but also enthusiastically took part in all forms of colonialism including the slave trade.

kamaal 5y ago

>>What is this treachery you are talking about ? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purnaiah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purnaiah The British simply bribed this guy onto their side. He really was more like Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurice_de_Talleyrand-P%C3%A9rigord https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Maurice_de_Talleyrand-... I wouldn't really call this treachery, In fact I wouldn't even call Jaichand a traitor or anything. The are often over simplistic narratives of deeply complicated situations.

fmajid 5y ago

> What is this treachery you are talking about ? In the second battle of Seringapatnam, the British suborned Mir Sadiq, Tipu's chief vizier. He deliberately withdrew his troops from the section of the curtain wall the British breached. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Seringapatam_(1799)#The_breach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Seringapatam_(1799)#T... Mysoreans still remember to this day the Nizam of Hyderabad's craven assistance to the British, and you could argue that was another form of treachery.