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Actual title: Tesla had to respect standards set by the european commission and is doing this because they are legally ordered to.

dabeeeenster 5y ago
What standards?
- oblio 5y ago
  > The Combined Charging System allows AC charging using the Type 1 and Type 2 connector depending on the geographical region. Since 2014 the European Union has required the provision of Type 2 or Combo 2 within the European electric vehicle network. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System
  - jungturk 5y ago
    As is mentioned elsewhere, this standard mandates a connector and does not require the charger to be open to all vehicles. Tesla certainly may be anticipating further actions in the future to require that, but there are no requirements to open the Supercharger network today.
mehrdada 5y ago
Did the government force them to sell their electricity to other EVs? AFAIK the CCS connector is forced which had been shipping for a while. Allowing other EVs to charge seems to be business choice.
- JrProgrammer 5y ago
  I'm happy we don't let the building/access of infrastructure to companies only and instead let them work something out with the government/EU. In a country where space is not abundant, it would be hell to search through multiple proprietary stations to find the right charger.
- rcxdude 5y ago
  exactly, as I understand it the main obstacle is billing, which is not standardised, and for Tesla's cars and superchargers is based on an identifier in the cars that is linked to a tesla account. Even without a standardised connector and protocol it's fairly easy to make an adapter. (that said the standardised connector makes it easier to trial this in europe than in the US)
- volta83 5y ago
  Not yet, but new regulation is coming that forces all new chargers from 2023 onwards to sell to all car. "The right to build a charger comes with responsibility to service electricity to any EV car." The EU, and in particularly Germany, is strongly nudging Tesla that, if they do it now, then right now at least they can do it in their own terms, and existing experience can flow into legislation. If they wait, then they will need to complain with whatever is legislated, and without any experience, they won't have a seat at the table (while other EV charger systems with experience will).
neals 5y ago
That's the first I've heard of that. Is that true?
practice9 5y ago
This is going to have rollout worldwide after the pilot in Netherlands. I see it more like: Tesla has good charging infrastructure and Tesla can scale chargers faster than cars (with cars production they are battery constrained). If even Shell and BP are installing electric chargers at their gas stations to get a small cut of this market it's a no-brainer for Tesla
- hef19898 5y ago
  BP and Shell, along side any other company running chains of fuel stations, are perfectly placed to provide a charging infrastructure when they partner with local electricity utilities to get the power lines to their existing locations. If they do so is a different story so.
- capableweb 5y ago
  Alternatively, it's easier to implement something consistency across the world instead of special solutions for each country, and since Tesla's biggest market (probably) is Europe, they focus on Europe and implement whatever they need to implement there in other countries too. Who really knows the strategy behind their moves, but legislation forcing their hand certainly feels plausible. Which company wouldn't want to own a proprietary network of chargers all over the world and extract as much money as possible?

dabeeeenster 5y ago

What standards?

oblio 5y ago
> The Combined Charging System allows AC charging using the Type 1 and Type 2 connector depending on the geographical region. Since 2014 the European Union has required the provision of Type 2 or Combo 2 within the European electric vehicle network. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_Charging_System
- jungturk 5y ago
  As is mentioned elsewhere, this standard mandates a connector and does not require the charger to be open to all vehicles. Tesla certainly may be anticipating further actions in the future to require that, but there are no requirements to open the Supercharger network today.

mehrdada 5y ago

Did the government force them to sell their electricity to other EVs? AFAIK the CCS connector is forced which had been shipping for a while. Allowing other EVs to charge seems to be business choice.

JrProgrammer 5y ago
I'm happy we don't let the building/access of infrastructure to companies only and instead let them work something out with the government/EU. In a country where space is not abundant, it would be hell to search through multiple proprietary stations to find the right charger.
rcxdude 5y ago
exactly, as I understand it the main obstacle is billing, which is not standardised, and for Tesla's cars and superchargers is based on an identifier in the cars that is linked to a tesla account. Even without a standardised connector and protocol it's fairly easy to make an adapter. (that said the standardised connector makes it easier to trial this in europe than in the US)
volta83 5y ago
Not yet, but new regulation is coming that forces all new chargers from 2023 onwards to sell to all car. "The right to build a charger comes with responsibility to service electricity to any EV car." The EU, and in particularly Germany, is strongly nudging Tesla that, if they do it now, then right now at least they can do it in their own terms, and existing experience can flow into legislation. If they wait, then they will need to complain with whatever is legislated, and without any experience, they won't have a seat at the table (while other EV charger systems with experience will).

neals 5y ago

That's the first I've heard of that. Is that true?

practice9 5y ago

This is going to have rollout worldwide after the pilot in Netherlands. I see it more like: Tesla has good charging infrastructure and Tesla can scale chargers faster than cars (with cars production they are battery constrained). If even Shell and BP are installing electric chargers at their gas stations to get a small cut of this market it's a no-brainer for Tesla

hef19898 5y ago
BP and Shell, along side any other company running chains of fuel stations, are perfectly placed to provide a charging infrastructure when they partner with local electricity utilities to get the power lines to their existing locations. If they do so is a different story so.
capableweb 5y ago
Alternatively, it's easier to implement something consistency across the world instead of special solutions for each country, and since Tesla's biggest market (probably) is Europe, they focus on Europe and implement whatever they need to implement there in other countries too. Who really knows the strategy behind their moves, but legislation forcing their hand certainly feels plausible. Which company wouldn't want to own a proprietary network of chargers all over the world and extract as much money as possible?