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>Facebook began as a network for Harvard students, then island networks for other universities, and so on, and it only got merged into one monster network later
by superuser2 15y ago
>Facebook began as a network for Harvard students, then island networks for other universities, and so on, and it only got merged into one monster network later on. Because of that history, it tends to be a social network for people to connect to school friends, family, work colleagues, etc. (i.e. people you've met in real life).
>Google+ has much different beginnings.
Google's real name policy pretty clearly indicates that Google+ is intended as an extension of your real-world identity (like Facebook) rather than a forum for alternate personas.
>Twitter seems to be doing quite well allowing pseudonyms.
Twitter positioned itself as primarily a public venue for alternate personas. Kind of like HN, or pretty much any forum. I do not know anyone who actively uses Twitter to talk to their real-life friends. They use Facebook for that.
>Same with Hacker News. You wrote "pseudonyms have no place in social networking" but what is Hacker News if not (in part) a social network?
Hacker News is a forum with voting. It doesn't track any sort of connection between users, and doesn't encourage sharing of personal lives. I don't consider it a social network at all.
>An anonymous comment isn't the same thing as a comment under a pseudonym. People tend to use the same pseudonym (or set of pseudonyms) everywhere they go: people can get a sense of who they are, what they believe. They can even use that pseudonym when not online (e.g. Mark Twain never had Internet access).
I understand that. I fully support pseudoynm-based discussion boards like HN (and blogging under pseudonyms), and I am appalled at people who want to enforce real name use everywhere. Those are useful, essential to free speech, etc.. But Google+ and Facebook are not trying to build pseudonym communities, they're trying to facilitate non-internet relationships online.
>"Real names" and pseudonyms are just handles. They're like variable names when programming. The computer doesn't care what you call the variables.
Actually, Facebook knows you by uid anyway. I never argued that we should care what people are known as to computers, but that I should see my friends' vacation photos /location checkins/status updates under the name I know them by, not soccaluv18273084.
>Why should you care whether someone goes by the name their parents gave them or something else? Shouldn't that be their choice?
Because in social networking (or, since you have a broad definition of social networking, the kind of social networks intended to extend your non-internet relationships) I want to call people by the same name we use in person. So do a lot of other people, hence Google and Facebook's policies.
- troymc 15y agoJust because someone is using a pseudonym doesn't mean they're using an alternate persona. Google allows pseudonyms on almost all of their other services, which are supposedly getting integrated with Google+. How is that supposed to happen, exactly? Twitter isn't primarily for alternate personas. Where did you get that idea? Futhermore, what makes you think pseudonyms are for just for alternate personas? There are plenty of legitimate reasons for people to be using pseudonyms, both online and offline. Many people are known only by their pseudonym (even when not online). How are their friends supposed to find them on a social network where they're only allowed to use their "real name"? To quote you: "I want to call people by the same name we use in person."
- superuser2 15y ago>Futhermore, what makes you think pseudonyms are for just for alternate personas? There are plenty of legitimate reasons for people to be using pseudonyms, both online and offline. In their personal dealings? That's a pretty weird edge case. I can't think of anyone that does that besides con artists. (Dissidents, yes, but again, Google+ is for extending your personal identity; your alter ego belongs on a Facebook Page or Twitter or Blogspot or Wordpress). >Twitter isn't primarily for alternate personas. Where did you get that idea? Because Twitter accounts tend to be a way for organizations and celebrities to push information. Case in point: http://twitter.com/#!/paulg http://twitter.com/#!/paulg is about Paul Graham the entrepreneur, the professional persona, not Paul Graham the friend/son. I don't live in the Valley, but I have never encountered anyone with an active personal Twitter account. (Lots of people, including myself, made one, tweeted a few times, and gave up because nobody else we knew was there.) To quote you: "I want to call people by the same name we use in person." Unless I am dealing with a con artist, that is usually a real name. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Google has an issue with normal first-name shortening/common nicknames). In what situations would someone be known to their friends and family by a pseudonym?
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