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I think this really gets at the issue. Calling it Foundation, but not keeping the spirit of the novel, is just basically exploitative.

klodolph 5y ago
Who or what's getting exploited? The material itself? Or the audience? I think few people who read the SF classics will be duped just by the name.
- ClumsyPilot 5y ago
  Such a post-truth comment, 'why is it wrong to call something A when actually it's not'.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  The IP... I really don't understand why having some relatively well known name is so important when it ends up being something entirely different. I think culturally that really shouldn't fly. Why not at that point just come up with new IP? If you want take the elements needed from existing work as influences...
  - pharke 5y ago
    They should be brave enough to do their own take on the concept without using the title and clout of the original author. It would allow them more freedom in rewriting the parts that they need to and would transform the whiplash felt by readers of the previous work into possible delight at seeing a new story with new characters riffing on the original concept.
  - macintux 5y ago
    Selling your product to a network, and later to the audience, must be dramatically simpler when you have existing IP to build upon. We almost certainly wouldn’t be talking about it on HN if it weren’t Foundation.
    - citizenkeen 5y ago
      You don't think we would be talking about Apple's flagship science fiction show?
      - macintux 5y ago
        I've not seen many front page discussions of modern movies or TV shows here, no. Sometimes a retrospective on older art, but I don't remember any of those either for the visual media.
  - b112 5y ago
    But they didn't come up with new IP. Instead, they hand picked 'oh, neat!' things they were told about, then just filled in all the missing bits with weird, unrelated, drama. EG, non-story related character confict. That's not content, but filler, designed to extend screen time. To actors, drama is the only important part of the role, and thus to many in hollywood. (One can have plot twists, action, suspense, without teenage drama...) So it isn't new IP, that would require original thought, and 99% of modern hollywood is rehash. All the marvel/dc stuff, remakes of older movies, series, cartoons, the best stuff is old, but new. Modern Hollywood can't do new. Modern Hollywood can't even do remakes without bombs! So it'd be hard to get buy in for new, and as this series sold loads of books... Well, pick the juice IP bits, lather teen style drama (eg, noise), and...
  - jonnycomputer 5y ago
    Think about Why do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, an amazing sci-fi novel, and Bladerunner, an amazing sci-fi movie loosely based on it. Now, granted, maybe the book title was rejected for the movie based on marketing concerns, but it also established distinct identities for the two.

klodolph 5y ago

Who or what's getting exploited? The material itself? Or the audience? I think few people who read the SF classics will be duped just by the name.

ClumsyPilot 5y ago
Such a post-truth comment, 'why is it wrong to call something A when actually it's not'.
Ekaros 5y ago
The IP... I really don't understand why having some relatively well known name is so important when it ends up being something entirely different. I think culturally that really shouldn't fly. Why not at that point just come up with new IP? If you want take the elements needed from existing work as influences...
- pharke 5y ago
  They should be brave enough to do their own take on the concept without using the title and clout of the original author. It would allow them more freedom in rewriting the parts that they need to and would transform the whiplash felt by readers of the previous work into possible delight at seeing a new story with new characters riffing on the original concept.
- macintux 5y ago
  Selling your product to a network, and later to the audience, must be dramatically simpler when you have existing IP to build upon. We almost certainly wouldn’t be talking about it on HN if it weren’t Foundation.
  - citizenkeen 5y ago
    You don't think we would be talking about Apple's flagship science fiction show?
    - macintux 5y ago
      I've not seen many front page discussions of modern movies or TV shows here, no. Sometimes a retrospective on older art, but I don't remember any of those either for the visual media.
- b112 5y ago
  But they didn't come up with new IP. Instead, they hand picked 'oh, neat!' things they were told about, then just filled in all the missing bits with weird, unrelated, drama. EG, non-story related character confict. That's not content, but filler, designed to extend screen time. To actors, drama is the only important part of the role, and thus to many in hollywood. (One can have plot twists, action, suspense, without teenage drama...) So it isn't new IP, that would require original thought, and 99% of modern hollywood is rehash. All the marvel/dc stuff, remakes of older movies, series, cartoons, the best stuff is old, but new. Modern Hollywood can't do new. Modern Hollywood can't even do remakes without bombs! So it'd be hard to get buy in for new, and as this series sold loads of books... Well, pick the juice IP bits, lather teen style drama (eg, noise), and...
- jonnycomputer 5y ago
  Think about Why do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, an amazing sci-fi novel, and Bladerunner, an amazing sci-fi movie loosely based on it. Now, granted, maybe the book title was rejected for the movie based on marketing concerns, but it also established distinct identities for the two.