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> I can't afford dying (got dependents?), or long covid, which IMO worse than death in severe cases. Good news. There's early evidence that the vaccines don't
by LurkingPenguin 5y ago
> I can't afford dying (got dependents?), or long covid, which IMO worse than death in severe cases.
Good news. There's early evidence that the vaccines don't provide nearly as much protection against long COVID:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.26.21265508v1.full.pdf https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.10.26.21265508v...
> On the other hand, previous vaccination does not appear to be protective against several previously documented outcomes of COVID-19 such as long-COVID features, arrhythmia, joint pain, type 2 diabetes, liver disease, sleep disorders, and mood and anxiety disorders. The narrow confidence intervals (related to the high incidence of these outcomes post-COVID) rules out the possibility that these negative findings are merely a result of lack of statistical power. The inclusion of death in a composite endpoint with these outcomes rules out survivorship bias as an explanation.
With all due respect, your comments suggest that you really don't understand the limitations of the vaccines. It seems you think they provide a lot more protection than they do and your mention of herd immunity is especially ill-informed. Discussion of herd immunity has all but died because the vaccines are non-sterilizing and do not prevent transmission of the virus. SARS-CoV-2 is well on its way to becoming an endemic virus.
> And, I think in places where the vaccination rate fraction is over 90% (arbitrary high threshold) things will get back to normal.
You should consider moving then because this certainly isn't going to happen in the US. And every 3-6 months when VE wanes in large numbers of vaccinated cohorts, you'll see spikes in breakthrough infections (where testing is being done to even catch them) and pushes for people to keep getting boosted. Most likely, the number of people willing to boost indefinitely will decrease as time goes on.
Things are going to get back to normal in places where people accept living with the virus.
- greesil 5y agoYou keep citing unreviewed papers. This last one was done by a psychiatrist, apparently. I'm not convinced that herd immunity is not going to happen given the evidence you've presented. Getting vaccinated and wearing masks every 6 months and wearing masks indoors in public is living with the virus.