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Are you equally appalled that so much other government paperwork goes through the mail? If we can't trust voting by mail, then we certainly can't trust mailing

Are you equally appalled that so much other government paperwork goes through the mail? If we can't trust voting by mail, then we certainly can't trust mailing passports, visas, IRS forms, car records, etc. It's weird to me to single out voting as the one thing that can't be trusted to the postal service, especially when there's things like voting lock boxes that are kept under camera you could put your vote in.

AnimalMuppet 5y ago
This sure sounds like a deflection. The GP raised several points about how mail-in-voting (especially 100% mail-in voting) could reasonably lead to increased rates of voter fraud, and it's not all because it transited the mail. And that renders your second paragraph moot. GP talked about the sender being either under coercion or not who the ballot said. If that happens, then keeping a camera on the voting lock box once the ballot arrives isn't going to fix the problem.
angelzen 5y ago
https://www.kuow.org/stories/it-s-easy-to-commit-election-fraud-in-washington-state https://www.kuow.org/stories/it-s-easy-to-commit-election-fr... " KUOW news editor Gil Aegerter was poking around on the Washington state elections website when he noticed something strange: You can print out a ballot for anyone, as long as you know their birthday. To demonstrate, he pulls up a ballot for Secretary of State Kim Wyman, who is in charge of elections in Washington. [...] That's because a signature is required when you return your ballot, which is checked against a copy of your signature that's kept on file. Wyman calls it security "at the back end." Aegerter pulls a copy of Wyman's signature online. Wyman's still not worried. " It also happens that our last local elections swung by 7-13% after the election night counts. Just a coincidence. Edit: It's worse than I thought. Obviously, once people accept the inacceptable, you push one step further. Before long we'll decide elections by Twitter likes. " This year, military and overseas voters will be allowed to vote electronically in Washington's presidential primary. Wyman backed a bill this legislative session to try and kill that. It failed. "

AnimalMuppet 5y ago

This sure sounds like a deflection. The GP raised several points about how mail-in-voting (especially 100% mail-in voting) could reasonably lead to increased rates of voter fraud, and it's not all because it transited the mail. And that renders your second paragraph moot. GP talked about the sender being either under coercion or not who the ballot said. If that happens, then keeping a camera on the voting lock box once the ballot arrives isn't going to fix the problem.

angelzen 5y ago

https://www.kuow.org/stories/it-s-easy-to-commit-election-fraud-in-washington-state https://www.kuow.org/stories/it-s-easy-to-commit-election-fr... " KUOW news editor Gil Aegerter was poking around on the Washington state elections website when he noticed something strange: You can print out a ballot for anyone, as long as you know their birthday. To demonstrate, he pulls up a ballot for Secretary of State Kim Wyman, who is in charge of elections in Washington. [...] That's because a signature is required when you return your ballot, which is checked against a copy of your signature that's kept on file. Wyman calls it security "at the back end." Aegerter pulls a copy of Wyman's signature online. Wyman's still not worried. " It also happens that our last local elections swung by 7-13% after the election night counts. Just a coincidence. Edit: It's worse than I thought. Obviously, once people accept the inacceptable, you push one step further. Before long we'll decide elections by Twitter likes. " This year, military and overseas voters will be allowed to vote electronically in Washington's presidential primary. Wyman backed a bill this legislative session to try and kill that. It failed. "