5 ms·

Try Telegram. It's easier to get seduced by tall sounding words like "cryptography", censorship, "security", anonymity etc. Those are just buzz words. Try som

Try Telegram. It's easier to get seduced by tall sounding words like "cryptography", censorship, "security", anonymity etc. Those are just buzz words. Try something that works seamlessly across platforms.

bryans 5y ago
End-to-end encryption is not just some buzz word, and Telegram requires you to opt-in to encryption, making it absurdly insecure by default.
- johnisgood 5y ago
  And there is no E2EE on desktop. People should really stop talking about Telegram when we are talking about secure private messaging apps. Telegram DOES NOT HAVE E2EE on desktop and it is opt-in on phones. Briar is the best choice on phones, and it is also available on desktop which is under development. For now, Ricochet is the best choice on desktop (only). I get that it would be nice to have a piece of software working on both desktop and phone, but still. For that I just use Element.
  - avinassh 5y ago
    I see an option of secret chat in my desktop app. Is that not E2EE? Because its the same option in mobile
    - johnisgood 5y ago
      https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there-no-secret-chats-on-desktop-apps https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there...
robbedpeter 5y ago
This is nonsense, and borderline malicious. Privacy used to be the default mode for human existence. You had to go out of your way to attract enough interest, positive or negative, to have that privacy curtailed, even in minor ways. In the information age, privacy is liberty. Unless you take specific action to prevent it, all of your information is surveilled. Encryption allows you to protect the content of your communications from intrusion. Ephemerality removes the traces of your communications to prevent future intrusion. Those two features reset human communication to the state of nature, allowing people the room to think and communicate difficult things in a context of trust. When people are monitored, they limit themselves to thoughts and discussions that are socially acceptable. This leads to groupthink, siloing people within a collectively imagined social ideal which is readily shaped by the ones doing the surveillance. The outrage mobs, public ridicule, and notorious cancelations are communicated far and wide, and the narratives conveyed about the context of those moralistic social displays are the levers of power being moved to influence social momentum. Marketing, politics, religion, social movements, and all manner of ideologies use the violation of privacy to amplify their reach and influence without the benefit of rational discussion and tests of validity that would have prevented such memes from gaining traction in the past. Authoritarianism seeks the destruction of privacy. Whether it's a dictatorship, a cult, an invasive workplace, or platform, they degrade privacy as much as they can in order to exploit the resulting loss of individual liberty and agency. So no, censorship is real. Cryptography is a tool that sets people in their proper place as sovereign human beings. Privacy, security, and anonymity give people the ability to speak on equal footing with any group or organization or fellow human. By using apps and platforms and services that don't respect privacy, you're willingly accepting a second class status, ceding your right to express ideas that don't conform. Buzz words my ass.
approxim8ion 5y ago
They're just buzzwords if you don't understand what they mean. Or don't want to.

bryans 5y ago

End-to-end encryption is not just some buzz word, and Telegram requires you to opt-in to encryption, making it absurdly insecure by default.

johnisgood 5y ago
And there is no E2EE on desktop. People should really stop talking about Telegram when we are talking about secure private messaging apps. Telegram DOES NOT HAVE E2EE on desktop and it is opt-in on phones. Briar is the best choice on phones, and it is also available on desktop which is under development. For now, Ricochet is the best choice on desktop (only). I get that it would be nice to have a piece of software working on both desktop and phone, but still. For that I just use Element.
- avinassh 5y ago
  I see an option of secret chat in my desktop app. Is that not E2EE? Because its the same option in mobile
  - johnisgood 5y ago
    https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there-no-secret-chats-on-desktop-apps https://tsf.telegram.org/manuals/e2ee-simple#2-why-are-there...

robbedpeter 5y ago

This is nonsense, and borderline malicious. Privacy used to be the default mode for human existence. You had to go out of your way to attract enough interest, positive or negative, to have that privacy curtailed, even in minor ways. In the information age, privacy is liberty. Unless you take specific action to prevent it, all of your information is surveilled. Encryption allows you to protect the content of your communications from intrusion. Ephemerality removes the traces of your communications to prevent future intrusion. Those two features reset human communication to the state of nature, allowing people the room to think and communicate difficult things in a context of trust. When people are monitored, they limit themselves to thoughts and discussions that are socially acceptable. This leads to groupthink, siloing people within a collectively imagined social ideal which is readily shaped by the ones doing the surveillance. The outrage mobs, public ridicule, and notorious cancelations are communicated far and wide, and the narratives conveyed about the context of those moralistic social displays are the levers of power being moved to influence social momentum. Marketing, politics, religion, social movements, and all manner of ideologies use the violation of privacy to amplify their reach and influence without the benefit of rational discussion and tests of validity that would have prevented such memes from gaining traction in the past. Authoritarianism seeks the destruction of privacy. Whether it's a dictatorship, a cult, an invasive workplace, or platform, they degrade privacy as much as they can in order to exploit the resulting loss of individual liberty and agency. So no, censorship is real. Cryptography is a tool that sets people in their proper place as sovereign human beings. Privacy, security, and anonymity give people the ability to speak on equal footing with any group or organization or fellow human. By using apps and platforms and services that don't respect privacy, you're willingly accepting a second class status, ceding your right to express ideas that don't conform. Buzz words my ass.

approxim8ion 5y ago

They're just buzzwords if you don't understand what they mean. Or don't want to.