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This and getting people out of poverty. People out of poverty have a greater ability to deal with extreme climate events.
by CodeGlitch 5y ago
This and getting people out of poverty. People out of poverty have a greater ability to deal with extreme climate events.
- sokoloff 5y agoPeople out of poverty also consume much more energy, so getting billions out of poverty without having a clean energy answer deployed might make things worse not better. (I’m not making a claim that we should slow either branch down nor keep people poor so only the rich can keep burning fossils.)
- yostrovs 5y agoYou will note that people in poverty pour their used oil into the street sewer, burn wood and coal for heat and cooking, and simply don't have time for worries beyond their immediate needs. If you want people to care about the environment, they must have their basic needs met.
- jfk13 5y agoYes.... but the development that lifts people out of poverty may at the same time exacerbate the climate problems. I'm not sure we've yet reached the point of lifting people out of poverty in a climate-friendly way.
- yostrovs 5y agoTherefore putting people into poverty may alleviate the risks of climate change. Have you ever thought of taking that option? Has anyone?
- throwaway210222 5y ago> … getting people out of poverty. We have only ever managed to get people out of poverty by increasing their per-capita energy usage. Any once we do, their families demand to maintain said standard of living that can only be met with enormous amounts of concentrated energy. We have - and continue - to do this using fossil fuels. Do you have another, secret, method?
- CodeGlitch 5y ago> using fossil fuels They can skip the fossil fuels and go straight to green energy can they not? This will require advances in technology, and therefore should be our focus.
- throwaway210222 5y ago> go straight to green energy can they not? No they cannot. We cannot even get Switzerland - small, rich, smart, friendly, good infrastructure, top class law, surrounded by mountains and water, etc. etc. to renewables in a decade.
- CodeGlitch 5y agoWell with an attitude like that we won't...
- throwaway210222 5y agoHope is not a strategy.
- CodeGlitch 5y agoOf course not, but it can feed into a strategy.