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this is a bizarrely fatalistic and defeatist perspective you may think you're being a realist, but really it just sounds like you're giving up because it's eas

this is a bizarrely fatalistic and defeatist perspective you may think you're being a realist, but really it just sounds like you're giving up because it's easier

oliwarner 5y ago
Thanks for dismissing what I said without engaging with any of it. I've told you what's actually possible in any measurable way to make the future safer, and that largely involves limiting how people spend their money on research. Long term diversification of manufacturing wouldn't be a silly idea either, for many reasons. But if you can see a way to actually achieve what you want, please share it. Your little quips only amount to pathetic sabre rattling, wasting everybody's time and most importantly, distracting people from what we all need to do to get through this.
- disambiguation 5y ago
  i;m sorry you took that personally, it wasn't meant to be. but it's really up to you to separate your own ego from your arguments, i can't be held accountable for hurt feelings also i don't think i was being dismissive, i correctly characterized your argument. if you believe that accountability is neither possible nor effective (in this case? in all cases?) then there's really nothing to argue. I can't change the mind of someone that doesnt want to have their mind changed. i do think think your comment about improved reporting and scrutiny over funding is interesting. because we are still funding the wuhan lab. and we did have reports of gain of function from EcoHealth Alliance back in 2018 that the NIH is denying. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhan https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-r... who watches the watchers? at the end of the day, accountability is an unavoidable solution if we want to have any hope of a fair and just system. or, we can be fatalist-deafetists that think such a system is impossible and we just have to accept whatever disasters happen to us.
  - oliwarner 5y ago
    Using an ad hominem to not apologise for an ad hominem is interesting but regardless, you'll be elated to know my feelings haven't deigned to notice. Who watches the watchers? Thanks for joining me on the same page. I'm not fatalist —I think things can be improved, and have said how— I just don't think there's anything to gain from demanding the revenge you seem to think you're owed.

this is a bizarrely fatalistic and defeatist perspective you may think you're being a realist, but really it just sounds like you're giving up because it's easier

oliwarner 5y ago

Thanks for dismissing what I said without engaging with any of it. I've told you what's actually possible in any measurable way to make the future safer, and that largely involves limiting how people spend their money on research. Long term diversification of manufacturing wouldn't be a silly idea either, for many reasons. But if you can see a way to actually achieve what you want, please share it. Your little quips only amount to pathetic sabre rattling, wasting everybody's time and most importantly, distracting people from what we all need to do to get through this.

disambiguation 5y ago
i;m sorry you took that personally, it wasn't meant to be. but it's really up to you to separate your own ego from your arguments, i can't be held accountable for hurt feelings also i don't think i was being dismissive, i correctly characterized your argument. if you believe that accountability is neither possible nor effective (in this case? in all cases?) then there's really nothing to argue. I can't change the mind of someone that doesnt want to have their mind changed. i do think think your comment about improved reporting and scrutiny over funding is interesting. because we are still funding the wuhan lab. and we did have reports of gain of function from EcoHealth Alliance back in 2018 that the NIH is denying. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-risky-virus-research-in-wuhan https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/nih-admits-funding-r... who watches the watchers? at the end of the day, accountability is an unavoidable solution if we want to have any hope of a fair and just system. or, we can be fatalist-deafetists that think such a system is impossible and we just have to accept whatever disasters happen to us.
- oliwarner 5y ago
  Using an ad hominem to not apologise for an ad hominem is interesting but regardless, you'll be elated to know my feelings haven't deigned to notice. Who watches the watchers? Thanks for joining me on the same page. I'm not fatalist —I think things can be improved, and have said how— I just don't think there's anything to gain from demanding the revenge you seem to think you're owed.