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That's not what happened in the two states that alleviated DST (Arizona and Hawaii). They are always on winter time.

by gpt5 5y ago

throwawayboise 5y ago
I grew up in Indiana when they were on standard time year-round. It was light until well after 8:00pm in the summer, that's enough.
- jetpackjoe 5y ago
  Is that due to being so far West in the Eastern Timezone?
  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    Maybe? Yes? I'm not opposed to the idea of more, narrower time zones, though I think that in practice anything less than one-hour differences would be more complicated than it's worth. Chicago has the opposite problem, where it's dark at 4:30pm in the winter.
    - fsckboy 5y ago
      you want the timezones to be 30 minutes apart? (i assume you aren't proposing 15) that sounds so much worse than the status quo
- logfromblammo 5y ago
  At the expense of standing at the school bus stop in complete darkness for most mornings of the school year. 13 years of rising hours before dawn and walking and waiting in darkness is enough. I would suggest that the government of any state or nation not be allowed to ever say what [civil] time it is, and require that they take technical timekeeping information--for TAI, UTC, UT1, and the like--from non-political scientific bodies.
  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    Or start school later? I don't really remember waiting for the bus in the dark until I was in high school, when they started earlier and due to the need to use the same bus for later runs to elementary schools, we arrived at school 30 minutes before class started. I'm thinking my elementary school started at 8:30 or 9:00am? But I can't really remember.
hnburnsy 5y ago
>Federal law allows a state to exempt itself from observing daylight saving time, upon action by the state legislature, but does not allow the permanent observance of DST. https://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/daylight-savings-time-state-legislation.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/daylight-saving...
marc_abonce 5y ago
In the case of Arizona, an early sunset actually makes sense because that means you get to enjoy the evenings outdoors at 30-ish ˚C (around 90 ˚F) instead of the >40˚C (>100˚F) you would have if the sun was still up.

That's not what happened in the two states that alleviated DST (Arizona and Hawaii). They are always on winter time.

by gpt5 5y ago

That's not what happened in the two states that alleviated DST (Arizona and Hawaii). They are always on winter time.

I grew up in Indiana when they were on standard time year-round. It was light until well after 8:00pm in the summer, that's enough.

jetpackjoe 5y ago
Is that due to being so far West in the Eastern Timezone?
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  Maybe? Yes? I'm not opposed to the idea of more, narrower time zones, though I think that in practice anything less than one-hour differences would be more complicated than it's worth. Chicago has the opposite problem, where it's dark at 4:30pm in the winter.
  - fsckboy 5y ago
    you want the timezones to be 30 minutes apart? (i assume you aren't proposing 15) that sounds so much worse than the status quo
logfromblammo 5y ago
At the expense of standing at the school bus stop in complete darkness for most mornings of the school year. 13 years of rising hours before dawn and walking and waiting in darkness is enough. I would suggest that the government of any state or nation not be allowed to ever say what [civil] time it is, and require that they take technical timekeeping information--for TAI, UTC, UT1, and the like--from non-political scientific bodies.
- throwawayboise 5y ago
  Or start school later? I don't really remember waiting for the bus in the dark until I was in high school, when they started earlier and due to the need to use the same bus for later runs to elementary schools, we arrived at school 30 minutes before class started. I'm thinking my elementary school started at 8:30 or 9:00am? But I can't really remember.

hnburnsy 5y ago

>Federal law allows a state to exempt itself from observing daylight saving time, upon action by the state legislature, but does not allow the permanent observance of DST. https://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/daylight-savings-time-state-legislation.aspx https://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/daylight-saving...

marc_abonce 5y ago

In the case of Arizona, an early sunset actually makes sense because that means you get to enjoy the evenings outdoors at 30-ish ˚C (around 90 ˚F) instead of the >40˚C (>100˚F) you would have if the sun was still up.