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This is rubbish. I like to ride my bike after work, which ends at 5pm. With DST I can ride all the way up to this week and still get home before dark. Please

This is rubbish. I like to ride my bike after work, which ends at 5pm. With DST I can ride all the way up to this week and still get home before dark. Please don't take this away from me, I hate it when it gets dark by 5pm.

Something1234 5y ago
let's end the fall back, and stay on DST. It's the time change that is stupid. It's more about when we want the light for our schedules.
- codazoda 5y ago
  That’s what Utah plans to do but there is currently a federal law that prohibits the use of permanent DST. Utah, California, and a couple other states have asked the federal government to change that law and I believe there are plans to consider it soon. Utah has passed a law that makes DST permanent as soon as the federal law is removed. Edit: On further review, this seems to have died in committee. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6331/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6331...
  - WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
    Florida passed theirs. Other states too but I don't recall which.
- kstrauser 5y ago
  This is the worst option. Since we started caring about time, "noon" has meant "when the sun is straight overhead". Unless there's a parallel push to change noon to 1PM (and midnight to 1AM), I'd fight that tooth and nail.
  - dml2135 5y ago
    Correct me if I'm wrong but actual "high noon" and 12pm don't currently line up except for a couple days a year, do they?
    - kstrauser 5y ago
      Sure, but not by a huge amount, and less than an hour. Time zones themselves mean that "solar noon" is rounded anyway, but they at least try to roughly go along with it.
GloriousKoji 5y ago
Is shifting your schedule by an hour and leaving work at 4PM not a valid solution?
- soperj 5y ago
  Most people have very little control over their schedule.
  - topkai22 5y ago
    This- Even if your work allows you to set your own schedule, there many other aspects of society that don't. Schools and daycares, in particular, can dictate the schedule of parents. If you can't start off to work because the bus/dropoff isn't till 830a it doesn't matter when your office lets you come in. Even if there aren't external factors and there is theoretically flexibility around working hours cultural norms can make it difficult. My workgroup/division seems to have a strong norm about not scheduling meetings before 930a, but scheduling from 4-5p is normal.
    - pishpash 5y ago
      If legislature can change the fricking clock they can decree working hours are shifted as a one-off.
      - WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
        Clocks don't fund elections.
  - summm 5y ago
    How about putting the energy of fighting for DST into fighting for a better schedule instead?
    - soperj 5y ago
      One likely has a chance at actually happening. No way are teachers changing their schedule for other people.
Apocryphon 5y ago
Work from home.
mnw21cam 5y ago
This is completely arbitrary. We could switch to DST all year round and work 9-5, or we could switch to normal time year-round, and work 8-4. It's the same thing - you're just calling it something different.
- over_bridge 5y ago
  You're right and this is the single dumbest argument I see all the time for why we need the clock switch. It's far easier to change the local office hours for workplaces and schools during winter time as needed. For extreme northern areas, they could even move it by more than one hour. It can be their choice! Let the work hours be decided locally rather than a blanket rule for the poles and equator. Match our behavior to the daylight rather than the other way round - you know, like every other species on Earth
  - iggldiggl 5y ago
    Public transport schedules need to be adjusted, too, and local networks often tie into regional networks, which in turn tie into the national network (where such a thing exists). Each municipality choosing its own date for switching could cause a lot of complications in that regard.

Something1234 5y ago

let's end the fall back, and stay on DST. It's the time change that is stupid. It's more about when we want the light for our schedules.

codazoda 5y ago
That’s what Utah plans to do but there is currently a federal law that prohibits the use of permanent DST. Utah, California, and a couple other states have asked the federal government to change that law and I believe there are plans to consider it soon. Utah has passed a law that makes DST permanent as soon as the federal law is removed. Edit: On further review, this seems to have died in committee. https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6331/text https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/6331...
- WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
  Florida passed theirs. Other states too but I don't recall which.
kstrauser 5y ago
This is the worst option. Since we started caring about time, "noon" has meant "when the sun is straight overhead". Unless there's a parallel push to change noon to 1PM (and midnight to 1AM), I'd fight that tooth and nail.
- dml2135 5y ago
  Correct me if I'm wrong but actual "high noon" and 12pm don't currently line up except for a couple days a year, do they?
  - kstrauser 5y ago
    Sure, but not by a huge amount, and less than an hour. Time zones themselves mean that "solar noon" is rounded anyway, but they at least try to roughly go along with it.

GloriousKoji 5y ago

Is shifting your schedule by an hour and leaving work at 4PM not a valid solution?

soperj 5y ago
Most people have very little control over their schedule.
- topkai22 5y ago
  This- Even if your work allows you to set your own schedule, there many other aspects of society that don't. Schools and daycares, in particular, can dictate the schedule of parents. If you can't start off to work because the bus/dropoff isn't till 830a it doesn't matter when your office lets you come in. Even if there aren't external factors and there is theoretically flexibility around working hours cultural norms can make it difficult. My workgroup/division seems to have a strong norm about not scheduling meetings before 930a, but scheduling from 4-5p is normal.
  - pishpash 5y ago
    If legislature can change the fricking clock they can decree working hours are shifted as a one-off.
    - WarOnPrivacy 5y ago
      Clocks don't fund elections.
- summm 5y ago
  How about putting the energy of fighting for DST into fighting for a better schedule instead?
  - soperj 5y ago
    One likely has a chance at actually happening. No way are teachers changing their schedule for other people.

Apocryphon 5y ago

Work from home.

mnw21cam 5y ago

This is completely arbitrary. We could switch to DST all year round and work 9-5, or we could switch to normal time year-round, and work 8-4. It's the same thing - you're just calling it something different.

over_bridge 5y ago
You're right and this is the single dumbest argument I see all the time for why we need the clock switch. It's far easier to change the local office hours for workplaces and schools during winter time as needed. For extreme northern areas, they could even move it by more than one hour. It can be their choice! Let the work hours be decided locally rather than a blanket rule for the poles and equator. Match our behavior to the daylight rather than the other way round - you know, like every other species on Earth
- iggldiggl 5y ago
  Public transport schedules need to be adjusted, too, and local networks often tie into regional networks, which in turn tie into the national network (where such a thing exists). Each municipality choosing its own date for switching could cause a lot of complications in that regard.