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It’s strange to say “no upsides” when there are a couple of obvious upsides (mentioned by other comments). Do the experts think it makes their case stronger whe
by playpause 5y ago
It’s strange to say “no upsides” when there are a couple of obvious upsides (mentioned by other comments). Do the experts think it makes their case stronger when they make immediately disprovable claims? Isn’t it stronger to say “the upsides are massively outweighed by the downsides” or something like that?
- dragonwriter 5y ago> It’s strange to say “no upsides” when there are a couple of obvious upsides (mentioned by other comments) None of the cited upsides require clock shifts. They aren't upsides of DST, but of being in the right timezone during winter, which DST does for parts of poorly drawn timezones in ways which are more simply addressed by drawing the timezones properly. That no one is pointing out problems solved that don't trace back to “without DST, we are in the wrong time zone in winter” is a strong clue that the real problem is wrong timezone and that that problem is just more acutely felt in winter.
- jjulius 5y agoHow would you redraw timezones that factor those winters in properly?
- sumtechguy 5y agoI think what they are saying is timezones mostly follow along north south. When if they took into account the tilt of the earth it would not be as big of an issue the further north or south you go from the equator.
- ItsMonkk 5y agoGet rid of them. Timezones are a leaky abstraction over daylight. They are to broad, so run into these failure modes. I would train people to run off of UTC time most of the time when they need to synchronize a specific time. Then train them to run off of sunrise/sunset offsets for situations where daylight matters. Most of the parks in my neighborhood are open sunrise to sunset, that's perfect. With modern digital clocks, this would be trivial to setup. When should work hours be? Either some UTC time if we're remote, or if all local, something like 10 hours before sunset to 2 hours before sunset.
- NathanielLovin 5y agohttps://qntm.org/abolish https://qntm.org/abolish
- ItsMonkk 5y agoI liked this, thanks. But that example is so weird, the second query is just as easy[0]. [0]: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%21wa%20is%20it%20daytime%20in%20melbourne%20australia https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%21wa%20is%20it%20daytime%20in%20m...
- rp1 5y agoIsn’t that different than ending DST? You’re proposing something entirely different…
- playpause 5y agoI like DST. It prompts me notice the season and reflect on where I've been and where I'm going. That's an upside for me, and for everyone else who likes it for similar reasons. I think this upside is a small one, probably outweighed by downsides, but it's still an upside.
- vlovich123 5y agohttps://xkcd.com/1172/ https://xkcd.com/1172/
- rjmunro 5y agoWhat if instead of redefining time, "Daylight saving" was the part of the year when most businesses, schools etc. started work at 8am instead of 9am? The government could mandate that schools and many other institutions change their start times, businesses could be encouraged to mostly follow (although some may choose not to if they want). Changing the definition of time is an absurd way to fix the issue. Why not have "winter miles per hour", where because more car accidents happen in winter, everyone has to adjust their car's speedometer to read 10MPH more, so that you then drive slower on the road - Roads with a 70 limit become 60, etc.